Labour. Our next Government.

What I want from the next government is people who do what they say they will do? If you could only believe what is written in manifestos the choice would be easy. Vote for the party with the most policies you agree with. But it isn’t as simple as that unfortunately. Policies are introduced that were never put to the electorate and governments renege on the policies that we voted on. I am a conservative but I thought Keir Starmer’s six point plan was great. Absolutely nothing there to disagree with. But it just won’t happen. We know we can’t trust Labour to do what they say they will. Can we trust anyone? Might as well stick with the devil I know.

Why can’t we trust Labour to do what they say they will?

MayBee70

Why can’t we trust Labour to do what they say they will?

I don’t trust any party to do what they say they will. The excuses are always that they can’t, because of the mess left by the previous government, even though they have known about that mess, then there’s the cost which is always more than they thought and then they realise that it’s not as easy to do as it was to say.
I’d love to be wrong on any or all of those things, whenever we have a change of government.

Why would anyone trust any party to do as they’ve said they will do?
I’m surprised that that anyone still believes any political party at this stage in our lives.

Smileless2012

Yes but surely without the right to buy, more would have been available Elegran.

If the money from the right to buy had been invested in building new council housing (calling it social housing if they had wanted to change the image) the stocks of housing would have stayed sufficient. However, that was banned for a long time, and housing stocks became less and less as more people bought the house they were living in. Meanwhile, council budgets shrank and shrank. Amenities like housing, libraries and community education courses shrank too.

Casdon

It doesn’t matter much what over 65 traditional Tory voters vote though, as it’s not your votes that Labour will be targeting. As a demographic, over 65s are known to be the most set in their voting habits, and most right wing, so not worth the candle. Even in this group though the polls only currently show a 4% Tory bias.

This⬆️

Exactly what I was thinking last night.

Unlike most of the posters on this thread I have managed to reach my three score and ten without becoming stereotypically 'old' in my view of politics and politicians and I don't agree at all with those who seem the think that it's terribly mature to dismiss all governments of whatever colour as all the same and useless to boot.

Looking back over 50 years or more what I can see is Labour achievements which more than outweigh its faults and unwavering tory cruelty to the most vulnerable in society. I have no doubt whatever about where my will go.

The ludicrous excuse given by Labour that councils could rebuild their housing stock having given tenants a discount of 35-70% off market value is laughable!

Builders don’t work for nothing and materials cost money so even if Blair had righted Thatcher’s wrong and allowed it, and let’s remember he chose not to, finances dictate there wouldn’t be a one-for-one situation.

Interesting how any posts that don’t support Sir Starmer ‘disappear’ Curious.

MayBee70

Why can’t we trust Labour to do what they say they will?

Because they’re politicians 😥

nanna8

Interesting how any posts that don’t support Sir Starmer ‘disappear’ Curious.

Sorry, nanna8, but that is rubbish. Just look back through the thread!

Interesting how any posts that don’t support Sir Starmer ‘disappear’ Curious

What! Have you read the thread nanna8?

Looking back over 50 years or more what I can see is Labour achievements which more than outweigh its faults and unwavering tory cruelty to the most vulnerable in society. I have no doubt whatever about where my will go

Hear, hear MaizieD!

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Why do you have to be so nasty about a person from a working class background who achieved a top job in their profession and earned their knighthood by virtue of having done so? Aren't people in the Labour party allowed to be anything other than horny handed sons of the soil and exploited factory workers?
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I have just turned on Sunday Brunch (Channel 4) only to see Kier Starmer as guest chef cooking Tandoori Salmon.

Electioneering has well and truly commenced.

I suppose people will criticise KS for cooking Tandoori salmon - too foreign and too posh! Perhaps he’d be expected to cook ham bones and boiled cabbage🙈

LizzieDrip

I suppose people will criticise KS for cooking Tandoori salmon - too foreign and too posh! Perhaps he’d be expected to cook ham bones and boiled cabbage🙈

My criticism is purely why is the leader of the Labour Party guest chef on what is primarily a cooking/entertainment programme when we have 100’s of excellent professional chefs in the UK?

I’d trust him with food hygiene anyway.
Actually it’s a positive sign that the election isn’t too far away. Expect to see Rishi Sunak on I’m a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here later this year.

Desperate for publicity, to be seen as a man of the people.

..or even better, Jacob Rees-Mogg chairing Have I Got News For You….

I do worry that Labour is banging out the same household economic trope.

I also think they are saying what they think people want to hear without actually knowing how to follow through.

I am a so called floating voter for the first time in my life.

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

I suppose people will criticise KS for cooking Tandoori salmon - too foreign and too posh! Perhaps he’d be expected to cook ham bones and boiled cabbage🙈

My criticism is purely why is the leader of the Labour Party guest chef on what is primarily a cooking/entertainment programme when we have 100’s of excellent professional chefs in the UK?

... because now and then, these types of programmes bring in a high-profile public figure as a guest?

It's been going on for ages, and these guests are from various walks-of-life.

I presume the programme-makers, or the participants themselves, assume it increases viewing numbers.

This is not to support KS - I'm just puzzled why you are puzzled at this 'tradition' of introducing guests into programmes on various subjects - on which they might have no obvious connection.

I'm not a fan of Keir. I find him rather robotic.

I do like Angela Raynor though.

I like Jess Phillips, much prefer her to any of the other Labour politicians.

LizzieDrip

I suppose people will criticise KS for cooking Tandoori salmon - too foreign and too posh! Perhaps he’d be expected to cook ham bones and boiled cabbage🙈

I think it's fairly certain that both Sunak and Starmer will be criticised by those who dislike one or the other (or both), regardless of what they do.

If you don't like the party they represent - or don't like them - it's not difficult to find a reason to condemn them.

... which is why, for me, pre-election campaigning is so bloody tedious. Whilst they are verbally sparring with each other either in the House or courtesy of the media, the rest of us are getting on with the life they have largely created for us; worrying about our bills and whether we'll get an appointment to see one of the diminishing number of doctors available for such appointments. And all the other minutiae of our humdrum lives.