ICJ seeks arrest warrant for Netanyahu and others for war crimes.

Vintagewhine

Those who believe all Palestinians are members of Hamas might believe that but those who believe Palestinians are also victims of Hamas won't. I believe Israeli Jews and Palestinians both deserve protection and to be able to live in peace and tbh I think that's what most think.

In the end that is the most humane civilised way to proceed and the only one that will work.

Give both communities, defined areas and statehood with sovereignty to decide their own destiny. This needs to happen for Israel (who has no officially defined borders it has ever recognised) and for Palestine who are in the same position.

Whitewavemark2

Vintagewhine

Those who believe all Palestinians are members of Hamas might believe that but those who believe Palestinians are also victims of Hamas won't. I believe Israeli Jews and Palestinians both deserve protection and to be able to live in peace and tbh I think that's what most think.

In the end that is the most humane civilised way to proceed and the only one that will work.

Give both communities, defined areas and statehood with sovereignty to decide their own destiny. This needs to happen for Israel (who has no officially defined borders it has ever recognised) and for Palestine who are in the same position.

I think it's also important to recognise that the reason Israel does not have defined borders is because right from it's inception, the intention was to make the whole of Palestine into Israel. It is a very sad fact but true that the people who lived there prior to the formation of Israel were never going to be given their own state unless Israel changed it's plan.

Exactly

That fine if Palestinians recognise those borders, past history has shown that will not happen.

Katie590

That fine if Palestinians recognise those borders, past history has shown that will not happen.

How can past history show that the Palestinians have never recognised the borders if there never been any?

Whitewavemark2

Katie590

That fine if Palestinians recognise those borders, past history has shown that will not happen.

How can past history show that the Palestinians have never recognised the borders if there never been any?

Well Gaza had autonomy and defined borders but used that to indoctrinate the population to kill all Israelis, expecting them to change easily is not realistic.

This clear to read in pictures shows the border question from the British Protectorate and the 1949 Armistice borders to 1967 changes and explaining the roles of Egypt and Jordan.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Gaza hasn't had full autonomy since 1967, as the maps show, Gaza and the West Bank were occupied territories.

And it is actually Israel that refuses to comply with the UN resolution to restore land they took by invasion. What some seem to be saying is that it is OK for one group of people to invade territory, take land from another group and expect the original occupiers to just comply with their rule. I thought that sort of thinking had gone with the British Empire.
No amount of oppression and suffering permits people to impose the same suffering on others.

Not all Israelis think the same. Strong disagreements on what you say.

Not all Israelis think the same, quite true. Except on one thing, they all want the hostages freed.

maddyone

Not all Israelis think the same, quite true. Except on one thing, they all want the hostages freed.

Even Netanyahu????

Yes, they do, but there are differences on the resolution of that. Clearly the huge numbers marching in the streets disagree with how the current Israeli regime is handling it.

This article from the Times of Israel shows the complexity of what is happening.

www.timesofisrael.com/protesters-briefly-block-tel-aviv-highway-to-demand-deal-freeing-hostages-in-gaza/

Glorianny - Netanyahu wants them freed but not too soon as a key justification for continuing the war disappears then; and for him personally, when the war ends, then comes the reckoning.

Ganz' deadline of June 8th remains for Netanyahu to come up with plans for the future of Gaza and negotiations or he will withdraw his party's support from the coalition.

Meanwhile the atrocities continue apace.

Such atrocities, leaders of Hamas hiding in schools, fathers of children killed in this war are surely Hamas terrorists who think their children are martyrs

Maybe someone can explain why Hamas base their headquarters in Hospitals and Schools if it is not to deliberately cause casualties.

Using the term "martyr" is like saying "gone to heaven". It's a way of honouring a death nothing to do with terrorism. If a gunman enters my house,threatens me and my family with death if I say anything. Does that give the army the right to drop a bomb on my house and kill us all? I don't think it does and would see myself as a victim of violence from both the gunman and the army but others would think it was perfectly acceptable. I think it's that which divides us as no one supports the violence of Hamas but some support the violence of the IDF which kills civilians.

Non of those cold blooded killer will go to heaven, tgey talk of it but can’t believe or they wouldn't kill.

I think it's that which divides us as no one supports the violence of Hamas but some support the violence of the IDF which kills civilians

Yes exactly this.

There is a difference between a situation where Hamas has set up a military base as opposed to where some may hide. I was shocked by the carnage at the United Nations School, which IDF claims was the latter.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp335xyymjgo

Hamas could hide anywhere, are we to continue to raze Gaza to the ground until there is nothing left for civilians? Are the Palestinian people safe anywhere?

What is crucial is what long term plans actually are for Gaza, and promote a cease fire/bring hostages back

Will it be a permanent military occupation or an international plan?

I don’t think anyone knows Wyllow.

What would people here like to see?

I suppose I've made it clear I don't see a good future for any or the parties in a long term military occupation by Israel.

Wyllow3

What would people here like to see?

I suppose I've made it clear I don't see a good future for any or the parties in a long term military occupation by Israel.

Someone, probably Israel has got to provide future security for Gaza, someone has got to have the power to stop terrorist groups taking over as Hamas has.

If that is not done in 20 yrs time we will see a repeat of this war.