Starmer’s a decent bloke!

I think decency and integrity matter immensely in politics. I'm afraid we've become far too acceptant of the alternative.

I think it started with Trump and his ‘fake news’ response to anything critical. Johnson continued this move away from decency and integrity. We’ve been somehow moved to the nonsense position that ‘they’re all the same’
No they aren’t, we have some decent MPs

We do Iam just a shame they’re not all in one party that we could get behind! They’re scattered about between all parties - so you pays your money and takes your chance.

We won’t cancel each other out - we are on opposite sides of the awful M60

😁

Starmer seems wobbly on defining what a woman is. 😳

Definitely! Reneging on all of his promises when seeking leadership. Hounding out of the party the most popular leader Labour has ever had, and many other faithful members. U-turning on virtually evety major policy a nnouncement. And 100% support for Israel’s genocidal war, for christ’s sake! Not a scrap of decency in him.

Just remind me how many elections Labours most popular leader’ lost?

MayBee70

Just remind me how many elections Labours most popular leader’ lost?

The Laabour party and the establishment sabotaged the election to get rid of him. Party membership was the highest it had ever been and he came within 2500 votes of winning the election. It is well established (with evidence) that there was a dirty tricks campaign against him. He is too much in favour of policies to benefit ordinary people for the political vultures to tolerate. But hey, if you prefer politicians that make the rich richer at the expense of the poor and vulnerable in our society, vote Labour or Conservative - there’s not a fag paper of separation between them

Coco51

MayBee70

Just remind me how many elections Labours most popular leader’ lost?

The Laabour party and the establishment sabotaged the election to get rid of him. Party membership was the highest it had ever been and he came within 2500 votes of winning the election. It is well established (with evidence) that there was a dirty tricks campaign against him. He is too much in favour of policies to benefit ordinary people for the political vultures to tolerate. But hey, if you prefer politicians that make the rich richer at the expense of the poor and vulnerable in our society, vote Labour or Conservative - there’s not a fag paper of separation between them

So I might as well just vote Conservative and let things continue as they are now then?

Hounding out of the party the most popular leader Labour has ever had
🤔 Who was that?

Callistemon21

^Hounding out of the party the most popular leader Labour has ever had^
🤔 Who was that?

Corbyn is the 17th most popular Labour politician according to YouGov.

2019 general election with Corbyn was worse defeat since 1935

So not him.

I would have thought the term "Most popular Laboud leader" would indicate someone who had won an election or whose name lives on as someone impressive.

eg
Keir Hardie
Ramsay MacDonald
Harold Wilson
Hugh Gaitskill
Tony Blair

I never understood this idea "the establishment" sabotaged Jeremy Corbyn. As if Parliament itself is not one part of "the establishment". He has been an MP for over 40 years. He was Her Majesty's Leader of the Opposition for 4 years. You can't get more "establishment" than that.

MrsSquirrel

I never understood this idea "the establishment" sabotaged Jeremy Corbyn. As if Parliament itself is not one part of "the establishment". He has been an MP for over 40 years. He was Her Majesty's Leader of the Opposition for 4 years. You can't get more "establishment" than that.

And he was a dreadful party leader. He got grumpy and irritable with journalists he was out of his depth.

The idea that some kind of establishment plot to get rid of him is ridiculous.

Canvassing at the last election in this red wall seat, the constant comments on the phones and door steps were anti Corbyn. ‘I’ll never vote Labour with yon man in charge. He wasn’t trusted on finance, defence and the way new untested policies appeared daily drove activists as well as the public up the pole.

His name is still being mentioned in the current campaign as a reason to mistrust Labour and left activists.

I got very close to voting Labour when Tony Blair was elected first time.
Thank goodness I came to my senses in the polling booth.

Sir Starmer might be a decent bloke but is he and Labour fit to run the Country, I am not sure?

I voted for Blair first time round GG13 and when he visited the hospital where I worked (first NHS one in the country which is why he called in during those early heady days) I was in the queue to shake his hand. He was charming and charismatic! 😱

Urmstongran

I voted for Blair first time round GG13 and when he visited the hospital where I worked (first NHS one in the country which is why he called in during those early heady days) I was in the queue to shake his hand. He was charming and charismatic! 😱

Charming & charismatic is how I would describe Nigel Farage when he used to visit our local pub.

Listening to him being interviewed this morning, he has morphed into another person.

I campaigned for all Labour leaders since 1963, except for Corbyn.

What puts me off Starmer to some extent, is that he looks permanently worried. As well he might be, though, to be fair, given the daunting task that’s evidently ahead of him.

I dare say it’s preferable to the air of cheerful confidence that Boris was so good at, though - at least before he was landed with COVID.

He is head and shoulders above the self seeking Tories.He is a definite improvement on the present government.He will inherit an unholy mess and will be castigated by the Right wing media whatever he does.He has more integrity in his little finger than the corrupt government have in their whole body.I wish his government well.

Can Starmer cut the sob story about his poor background! My brother was a toolmaker and my sister a nurse. They were all around the same age as his parents and neither were on the breadline. Lived in the SE of England. Sister was a divorced single parent. Anyone who could afford a home telephone in the 50s or 60s was not hard up. They were considered a luxury. Even I didn't have one until the middle 70s.

By 1960 only one in five households didn’t have access to a telephone Plunger, it certainly wasn’t a luxury. That comes from the Census.

These attempts to discredit Starmer are now entering into the world of fiction, Gransnet could launch its own conspiracy theory company at this rate. At the end of it, it boils down to the fact, unpalatable though it is for some, that he was a very gifted boy from an ordinary family, who made good.

Casdon

By 1960 only one in five households didn’t have access to a telephone Plunger, it certainly wasn’t a luxury. That comes from the Census.

These attempts to discredit Starmer are now entering into the world of fiction, Gransnet could launch its own conspiracy theory company at this rate. At the end of it, it boils down to the fact, unpalatable though it is for some, that he was a very gifted boy from an ordinary family, who made good.

Are you sure about those figures? I only knew three families that had private telephones in 1960, two were friends the other was a relative and it was really a business line that they could make private paid for calls from. Mostly we used public phone boxes and were fortunate to have one a two minute walk away. By the end of the 60s I knew a lot more people with a private telephone. Was my childhood in 1960 really so deprived that we were wildly out of step with the norm?