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Starmer’s a decent bloke!

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CvD66 Mon 27-May-24 10:36:46

I know people will immediately tell me it’s part of the Labour election agenda but I keep coming across random short stories about small acts of kindness by Starmer. These stories aren’t major incidents and largely involve simple examples where Starmer has encouraged someone by action or deed. Whether electioneering hype or not, I can’t imagine reading similar stories about our current PM as sadly he seems so disconnected from the general public!

Parsley3 Sat 01-Jun-24 08:51:41

Wasn't Russell-Moyle suspended from the Labour Party due to a complaint about his behaviour?

pascal30 Sat 01-Jun-24 08:56:14

Parsley3

Wasn't Russell-Moyle suspended from the Labour Party due to a complaint about his behaviour?

It's unsubstantiated and in process. It's all a bit too convenient for right wingers..

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-24 08:59:48

Why speak of him being gay

Parsley3 Sat 01-Jun-24 09:00:10

Thanks.

pascal30 Sat 01-Jun-24 09:02:50

Anniebach

Why speak of him being gay

Because he lives in Kemptown and he is proudly Gay and it and his being left wing is one of his biggest assets down here, along with being local, aware of climate issues and a very hard worker.. He has been stitched up

Iam64 Sat 01-Jun-24 09:03:20

I’m uneasy about the suggestion this allegation has been made with the aim of stopping an MP from standing in the election. We don’t know what the complaint is but we are all aware of the history of allegations being ignored, pushed away in the HoC.
Jess Phillips said recently she’s aware of two allegations by women of rape in the HoC with the alleged perpetrators still working in the HoC. In most workplaces, the alleged perpetrator would be on gardening leave (at least)

nightowl Sat 01-Jun-24 09:05:33

Pascal the same thing has happened in my daughter’s constituency, someone parachuted in from London to replace a hard working local candidate with a strong track record in local government. It seems he is just a bit too socialist for the leadership’s liking. This approach is weakening not strengthening the party in my view.

pascal30 Sat 01-Jun-24 09:11:07

Iam64

I’m uneasy about the suggestion this allegation has been made with the aim of stopping an MP from standing in the election. We don’t know what the complaint is but we are all aware of the history of allegations being ignored, pushed away in the HoC.
Jess Phillips said recently she’s aware of two allegations by women of rape in the HoC with the alleged perpetrators still working in the HoC. In most workplaces, the alleged perpetrator would be on gardening leave (at least)

I would agree with you Iam64 except that it is being expressed by so many people on different sites down here.. It is a very unpopular decision and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Labour loses the seat now

Galaxy Sat 01-Jun-24 09:11:57

Russel moyle s behaviour to women who disagree with him has been consistently unpleasant. His behaviour is often erratic. I am trying to balance my concern over suspensions etc with my utter dislike of him!

Urmstongran Sat 01-Jun-24 09:15:26

Primrose53

Wyllow3

wiki

"Does Rishi Sunak fly private jet?
Out-of-touch Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is well-known for his use of private jets, including racking up a bill of over £500,000 in the space of less than two weeks . Now his high-flying lifestyle is clearly starting to affect his judgement – and his Government's policies.19 Jan 2024

We know that thanks but doesn’t Starmer and his clique make a meal of it!! Then he goes and does exactly the same at a CLIMATE conference. He didn’t think that one through did he?

They’re all at it. When it suits.

Witzend Sat 01-Jun-24 09:32:43

Re phones, I was born in 1949 and I can’t remember not having a phone in the house. And my parents certainly weren’t well off - permanently skint was more like it.
I can still remember the code at the house from when I was 6 to 9 - UPL for ‘Uplands’. Can’t remember the actual number though.

But as was common then, the phone was used only when absolutely necessary - certainly no long chats. Phones were often in the hall anyway, so in pre central heating days you wouldn’t linger in the freezing cold.

Dh’s father used to make him and his brothers pay for any call they made - probably 3d at the time.

pascal30 Sat 01-Jun-24 09:49:33

nightowl

Pascal the same thing has happened in my daughter’s constituency, someone parachuted in from London to replace a hard working local candidate with a strong track record in local government. It seems he is just a bit too socialist for the leadership’s liking. This approach is weakening not strengthening the party in my view.

Yes.. and they have also blocked Faiza Shaheen from standing..

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-24 10:05:24

Shaheen had posted on Twitter her like of anti semetic posts,
She can’t recall the posts because she was Brest feeding

She now claims women on the left are being targeted

Wyllow3 Sat 01-Jun-24 10:07:02

Galaxy

Russel moyle s behaviour to women who disagree with him has been consistently unpleasant. His behaviour is often erratic. I am trying to balance my concern over suspensions etc with my utter dislike of him!

I've done a lot of googling on Russel Moyle. This isn't a new complaint nor unknown. Major incident in the Hoc in January 2023 and others. Much as I also dislike people being replaced I agree with this one.

Wyllow3 Sat 01-Jun-24 10:16:02

Before we make it into a party political issue please note that Sunak and the conservatives habitually do the same:

Tory fury as Sunak allies 'parachuted' into winnable seats

The Independent

1 days ago — Exclusive:

Tory Fury as Sunak allies 'parachuted' into winnable seats

Both the Tories and Labour leaderships stand accused of 'rigging' safe seat selections for their friends and allies.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-allies-parachuted-winnable-tory-seats-b2553981.html

as you might find a paywall here's a flavour

"Rishi Sunak’s allies have been accused of “operating a chumocracy” in ”parachuting” special advisers and people close to the inner circle around the prime minister for winnable seats in the general election.

David Goss, the prime minister’s deputy political secretary, became the latest high profile figure from Downing Street to be selected for a winnable seat in Wellingborough and Rushden, recently lost to Labour in a gruelling by-election.

He followed former army officer James Clark, a special adviser to defence secretary Grant Shapps, being selected for Great Yarmouth last night

Others to get winnable seats include former Home Office special adviser Katie Lam landing the Weald of Kent constituency last year.

Also in the article: Ameet Jogia (Hendon) Luke Gardiner (Derbyshire) Alice Hopkins....Will Tanner....(and others...)

Iam64 Sat 01-Jun-24 10:19:59

There dare some on the left in my constituency spreading dissent about our candidate who was overwhelmingly the winner at our meeting to select the candidate. I’ve known the candidate as a neighbour for years. I also know those attempting to smear her. The only leader they’ve supported since Michael Foot is Corbyn.

pascal30 Sat 01-Jun-24 10:37:03

Well my objection is being expected to vote for a candidate who does not live in the constituency.. and I suspect that the person who is replacing Caroline Lucas will also have difficulties because she lives in London.. though she is now renting in the constituency... I think flying in candidates is not well thought through whichever party they belong to..

nightowl Sat 01-Jun-24 10:37:42

Wyllow I’d like the LP to be better than the Tories in this regard. I firmly believe the LP should be a broad church with room for socialist views. I can’t even believe I have to write that last bit.

nightowl Sat 01-Jun-24 10:40:15

My daughter’s constituency is an important and highly significant marginal seat. I think the LP have made a huge strategic mistake on this one, but the outcome remains to be seen.

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-24 10:49:48

Antisemitism is not socialist view,

Wyllow3 Sat 01-Jun-24 10:50:58

nightowl

Wyllow I’d like the LP to be better than the Tories in this regard. I firmly believe the LP should be a broad church with room for socialist views. I can’t even believe I have to write that last bit.

Yes, in my many years in the Labour Party I have always experienced that broad church, but there has to be boundaries.
Inevitably there will be agreement or disagreement in individual decisions.

Galaxy Sat 01-Jun-24 11:25:20

My experience of the labour party both locally and nationally is a battle between the centrists ad the left, mostly the centrists hold the power and rarely the left do. Both groups play a lot of games to ensure their control. I assume it's the same in all political parties just with different ideologies.

MayBee70 Sat 01-Jun-24 12:15:24

It’s ok having socialist views but the electorate don’t vote for socialist policies ( especially the very people that need those policies the most: look at what happened to the red wall). They can’t achieve anything in permanent opposition.

nightowl Sat 01-Jun-24 13:15:33

There’s room for socialist views in the Labour Party Maybee. Always has been. It takes a good leader to hold a balance and not run scared. I think we have to reject the right wing media message that people won’t accept socialist policies - they do have their own agenda. A yougov poll in 2019 famously showed that Corbyn’s policies were universally popular in the UK and abroad, including in the US. The policies themselves are broadly what most people want.

Galaxy Sat 01-Jun-24 13:21:32

Labour functions best with a broad range of views. Blair managed to have both Corbyn and abbot under his umbrella.