Diane Abbott to be banned from standing for Labour.

Why are people so quick to assume she is trying to disrupt labour’s campaign? She has been a Labour Party member and MP longer than many of the PLP have been alive, she has been an excellent constituency MP, has given her life to politics and perhaps she is going to find it very hard to give this up. I feel very sorry for her and I don’t think she has been treated well.

tickingbird

^1. There was no begging^

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

She was basically pleading for their votes and you know very little about Orthodox Jews and, in any case, there are very few of them in the UK. Jews in general come to that!

We have a fairly large community of Orthodox Jews in our area (we can tell because of their dress). We literally never see the women. There must be women as we see a lots of the male children out with the male adults.

nightowl

Why are people so quick to assume she is trying to disrupt labour’s campaign? She has been a Labour Party member and MP longer than many of the PLP have been alive, she has been an excellent constituency MP, has given her life to politics and perhaps she is going to find it very hard to give this up. I feel very sorry for her and I don’t think she has been treated well.

I think she’s seen as disrupting as Starmer has stayed very clearly she has not been barred!

She’s made a good few blunders in her life, but she’s also made some great steps for black women in politics.

IMO, she should gracefully retire, knowing she had the whip restored.

tickingbird

^1. There was no begging^

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

She was basically pleading for their votes and you know very little about Orthodox Jews and, in any case, there are very few of them in the UK. Jews in general come to that!

Well how very wrong you are. I live fairly close to community of Orthodox Jews and work in the area. I know ( first hand ) that at the medical centre there is a separate entrance, purpose built for women. I know the women marry very ,very young. I know they have an entirely separate and much diminished schooling system for all . Girls leave education at around 12 years old.
I know that the families are very large and ponder as to how they support themselves.

I never realised what a very attractive young woman Diane Abbot was.
She has got a lot of stick, sometimes as she stuck by J Corbyn justified. However, Labour have a very poor record with women they don't promote or support them enough. Why couldn't they just let Diane retire at her will? Think it’s been handled badly and it’s come over has a bit spiteful.

I’ve just watched said video.

A) the part shown was all about the awfulness of the Gaza situation.
B) I couldn’t see much of the room, there may well have been women there.
C) she wasn’t begging. She was open and compassionate about the situation.

Cossy I’ve just heard Diane Abbott on the radio saying she will remain the local MP for as long as possible. So given Keir Starmer’s statement I await confirmation that the LP accepts her as the Labour candidate for her constituency. It isn’t for them or anyone else to tell her when she should retire.

nightowl

Cossy I’ve just heard Diane Abbott on the radio saying she will remain the local MP for as long as possible. So given Keir Starmer’s statement I await confirmation that the LP accepts her as the Labour candidate for her constituency. It isn’t for them or anyone else to tell her when she should retire.

Actually nightowl its up to the L Party voters in that constituency

Allsorts

I never realised what a very attractive young woman Diane Abbot was.
She has got a lot of stick, sometimes as she stuck by J Corbyn justified. However, Labour have a very poor record with women they don't promote or support them enough. Why couldn't they just let Diane retire at her will? Think it’s been handled badly and it’s come over has a bit spiteful.

I simply cannot agree that the LP “have a very poor record with women” and that they are not promoted or supported enough!

1992 Betty Boothroyd - Lab first women speaker in HoC.

Harriet Harman
Mo Mowlem
Barbara Castle

There have literally been dozens of good, Labour female MPs well supported by the LP.

Current representation
Political party MPs female MPs
Conservative 34586
Labour 205105

nightowl

Cossy I’ve just heard Diane Abbott on the radio saying she will remain the local MP for as long as possible. So given Keir Starmer’s statement I await confirmation that the LP accepts her as the Labour candidate for her constituency. It isn’t for them or anyone else to tell her when she should retire.

No, of course not, it’s just my personal opinion.

I don’t agree with the principle of that nightowl. Being an incumbent MP should not mean the seat is yours for as long as you want it. The decision should be made by the party and local constituency. Not all MPs remain capable, for many reasons, of doing their jobs competently in the long term.

zakouma66

tickingbird

1. There was no begging

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

She was basically pleading for their votes and you know very little about Orthodox Jews and, in any case, there are very few of them in the UK. Jews in general come to that!

Well how very wrong you are. I live fairly close to community of Orthodox Jews and work in the area. I know ( first hand ) that at the medical centre there is a separate entrance, purpose built for women. I know the women marry very ,very young. I know they have an entirely separate and much diminished schooling system for all . Girls leave education at around 12 years old.
I know that the families are very large and ponder as to how they support themselves.

It’s all about control by men. All of it, whatever fundamentalist stripe of religion. Extremes in anything in life are never good - physically or mentally. The women should challenge this orthodoxy and tell the men to do one. They won’t though. Brainwashing starts in infancy …

Their survival and pretty early on the survival of their children depend on keeping quiet.

zakouma66

Their survival and pretty early on the survival of their children depend on keeping quiet.

Obviously that doesn’t make it right

I agree with you Casdon and I’ll rephrase what I said. I look forward to an announcement that Diane Abbott is on the shortlist of candidates for the constituency, unless of course she decides of her own free will to retire.

Cossy

zakouma66

Their survival and pretty early on the survival of their children depend on keeping quiet.

Obviously that doesn’t make it right

There are all sorts of communities where women are silenced.

nightowl

I agree with you Casdon and I’ll rephrase what I said. I look forward to an announcement that Diane Abbott is on the shortlist of candidates for the constituency, unless of course she decides of her own free will to retire.

Yes, I think this is definitely the best solution for all.

Unless I am mistaken, she wants to be reinstated as sitting MP.

And if it is decided no, all hell will brake loose, she has made sure of it

Poignant note in an article in the Guardian,

" Reports on Wednesday suggested she had wanted to announce her own retirement but was caught off guard by a story in the Times saying she would be barred from standing for Labour

So it appears that the Times article hit her out of the blue and accounts for her tweet this morning where she posts the Times front page and says she is "Barred".

(But it does also appear she assumed she would be restored to her position of MP automatically and thats why she kept on saying "Barred" leaving much confusion as to the meaning of that).

Reports on Wednesday suggested she had wanted to announce her own retirement but was caught off guard by a story in the Times saying she would be barred from standing for Labour

How interesting Wyllow. If that’s the case it would appear that Murdoch’s press has done its job - printing an inaccurate article on the front page of the Times which has caused problems for Labour. I’m sure the Murdoch empire is feeling very smug tonight.

Just re-read this morning’s front page Times article. It’s a complete work of fiction - absolute misinformation. We must stop believing MSM!!!

How low can you sink in a mainstream newspaper.
Not even asking Abbot before printing. Malicious right wing attack.

Why why did she believe it

I meant break not brake loose

If you look at the two authors tweets, they are all directed against the LP.

The Times should check in further that due diligence has been done. It not a red top.

Agree Wyllow.

Yes Annie, I asked myself that question! Although, it appears lots of others believed it too, and look at the mess it’s caused today. What a world we’re living in!