Donald Trump a convicted felon

Urmstongran

As he often says, “if they can do this to me, think what they can do to you”. They’ve just guaranteed a Trump win. The bookies odds are 6/5 on they think so too. The next few weeks will be interesting. I’m not American but even I thought this won’t be a fair trial. The judge is a Democrat donor and NY is a Democrat stronghold.

Are you agreeing with him that the trial was rigged and the judge was biased?

Contrary to Trump’s claims of a rigged trial, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. His lawyers were able to provide their evidence to fight the accusations. I was listening to political commentators this morning who calculated that at least 3 people on the jury were likely to have voted for Trump and any one of them could have disagreed resulting in a hung jury and mistrial. Therefore I can only assume none of the jurists believed Trump and the verdict was fair and deserved, and these were allegations least likely to succeed in court! There are more to come. The Republican party should acquire a backbone, find some morals and drop Trump.

Mollygo

Well he’s a liar, and evidently some people would vote for a leader who tells lies about at least one thing. That’s how things seem to be.

Surely you aren’t that naive? A politician that doesn’t lie is extremely rare.

As for Trump, compare his treatment with that of Bill Clinton who swore on oath “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” 😂😂

Regardless, his campaign website which receives donations collapsed following the verdict! Too much traffic. How this will continue to play out is very interesting.

Urmstongran

As he often says, “if they can do this to me, think what they can do to you”. They’ve just guaranteed a Trump win. The bookies odds are 6/5 on they think so too. The next few weeks will be interesting. I’m not American but even I thought this won’t be a fair trial. The judge is a Democrat donor and NY is a Democrat stronghold.

Are you saying at the trial should not have gone ahead? That justice should not have been done in order to prevent a Trump presidency.

Trump's main defence was it was done without his knowledge and Cohen is a convicted liar. Clearly the jury thought Trump was a bigger liar. I understand the judge has refused leave to appeal as it was a unanimous decision on all 34 counts.
Tbh I though he'd get off, only needed one jury member to acquit him, but I really hope that it scuppers his chances of being POTUS again. With reference to Biden, I'd have preferred a younger candidate but to say he has dementia is total rubbish. He's like most older people in that his memory is not so sharp with regard to remembering names etc but his intellect is not affected. I think it's important to make a distinction between the normal ageing process and pathology or basically pretty much everyone over 70 has dementia to some extent and they don't!

Whitewavemark2

Trumps rhetoric is so dangerous. Once again he is saying that the system is rigged - it isn’t - the judge is crooked - he isn’t - the courts are partial - they aren’t - and this is feeding into groups like the proud boys snd other hard line maga republicans, with the danger of it spilling over into violence and insurrection.

This is the point Whitewavemark2.

But I think you have to have a comprehensive knowledge of American history and how it led to so-called 'gun-culture' and the formation of militia-groups like the Proud Boys (and I don't possess that knowledge) to understand Trump and the huge support he has. We can't compare him or them by our own European standards of government or our culture.

I do think, like you, that he's dangerous though. He's a loose cannon - his outburst after the verdict had him firing in all directions.

Personally, I think he's dangerous because he can't contain himself. His ego is so huge and so delicate that he cannot tolerate any questioning or criticism of his behaviour and I think it drives everything he does and says. I truly think he has something of a messiah-complex - he and only he can 'save' America from 'terrorists' (he mentioned them), immigrants, and the general decline of the country which he attributes to 'liberals'.

Far from deterring his supporters, the verdict will only serve to encourage them to believe, as he does, that it's a politically motivated stitch-up (as if anything that he says and does isn't politically motivated) and will entrench their support. He's talked about "carnage" in November which I think means that he expects voters to come out in support of him by whatever means and methods they might employ.

I don't think he could handle not being elected again - convinced as he is that the presidency was stolen from him the last time - can you imagine him having to accept this again, and how that will play out with his supporters and the various patriotic 'militia' groups like the Proud Boys? Could it spill over into civil-war?

Tickingbird
Not naive at all.
We know people would/will vote for a leader who does not tell the truth, whether it’s in US, Russia, UK or wherever. Let’s not get into which lie is worse. If they lie about one thing, then there’s no guarantee anything they say is true.

I think there’s a possibility that Trump will end up hanging himself before the elections. He’s so egotistical that he could incite more riots of his supporters, threaten other world leaders, be found to be setting up a hit squad - or any number of other irrational dictator like acts that will end his political career. He is very unstable and unpredictable, and this dent to his ego coukd send him over the edge.

Blackwit

Contrary to Trump’s claims of a rigged trial, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. His lawyers were able to provide their evidence to fight the accusations. I was listening to political commentators this morning who calculated that at least 3 people on the jury were likely to have voted for Trump and any one of them could have disagreed resulting in a hung jury and mistrial. Therefore I can only assume none of the jurists believed Trump and the verdict was fair and deserved, and these were allegations least likely to succeed in court! There are more to come. The Republican party should acquire a backbone, find some morals and drop Trump.

The Republican party should acquire a backbone, find some morals and drop Trump.

When you look at he size of America and count the number of its population, take into consideration the 'get-up-and-go' competitive nature of so many of its aspirants - surely there must be at least one other candidate they could field? One who doesn't have a history of grabbing pussies or accusations of cooking-the-books lined up against him, and the owner of an ego that might be more resilient when being held to account or being questioned?

But Republicans appear to need a Saviour and Trump and they, believe he's the man.

Apologies, Trump can appeal but probably on the basis of the validity of the linking his crimes to the election rather than just a business fraud.

I do hope they proceed with the indictment of voter corruption in Georgia. Thats where Trump asked the Georgia secretary of state to "find 11,780 votes" in 2021.
Its hitting obstacles already however

"Jan. 2, 2021
In an hourlong phone call obtained by ABC News, Trump calls Raffensperger and falsely claims that it was "not possible" for him to have lost and asks the secretary to "find 11,780 votes" -- the exact number Trump needed to win Georgia.

"The people of Georgia are angry. The people of the country are angry, and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated,"

Trump says on the call. " All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. ... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break ."

Meadows was also heard speaking on the call."

He reminds me more and more of Stalin with everyone around him being scared to stand up to him

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Surely the Democrats have SOMEONE, who is not over 80! and who is not confused to the point that he doesn't know where he is or what he's talking about! Think reviewing the troops at BP! The King actually had to point him in the right direction! As for crooks! Other Presidents trod a fine line at best and simply didn't get found out, easy enough before social media, let's face it, money speaks all languages. Mind you, think Nixon, and don't forget Clinton!

i can think of no man so deserving of this event.

Whitewavemark2

It is really quite bizarre - Trump, as a conflicted felon can no longer vote, but can stand for President.

It seems that Trump, contrary to his rhetoric, will be affected by this sentence. Independent (floating voters) are more likely to change their minds and turn away from Trump.

Apparantly, he can still vote. It depends on the state convicted in, and NY allows Class E felons to vote, providing they are not in jail.

“ It's likely that Trump will be able to vote this autumn.
Under Florida law, - where Trump is a resident - a person with a felony conviction from another state is ineligible to vote only "if the conviction would make the person ineligible to vote in the state where the person was convicted".
Trump was convicted in New York, where felons are allowed, external to vote as long as they are not currently incarcerated.
This means that unless Trump is behind bars on 5 November, he should be eligible to cast his ballot.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg4kv0682o

Let's not say "only in America could such a man retain and secure enough votes to make him head of state". It could happen in the UK if the electorate become stupified by some man's charisma plus paranoid fear of others.

MayBee70

Wow. I missed it. I was watching Sky Arts!

Good for you MayBee70 that way leads to sanity. Keep that way.

Well, someone convicted wouldn’t be allowed to stand or serve, in our Parliament. Our rules prevent it.

But, this country knowingly elected an adulterous, self serving liar, trailing mistresses and children in his wake, as PM.

Apparantly, that was ok - because Johnson was a “character”. 🙄

I’ve just been reading that prosecutors alleged that there were violations of federal and state election laws along with tax fraud, but they didn’t state which one was broken.
Legal experts claim this could form the basis for an appeal, as never before has a state prosecutor invoked an uncharged federal crime and there are questions about whether the District Attorney had the power to do so.

I think the most serious trial is going to be the “invoking insurrection on the 6th January trial.

I think they will find that harder to prove than Georgia, although the insurrection is the really "big" one.

Jaberwok

Surely the Democrats have SOMEONE, who is not over 80! and who is not confused to the point that he doesn't know where he is or what he's talking about! Think reviewing the troops at BP! The King actually had to point him in the right direction! As for crooks! Other Presidents trod a fine line at best and simply didn't get found out, easy enough before social media, let's face it, money speaks all languages. Mind you, think Nixon, and don't forget Clinton!

I've wondered that too of course - I decided that the democrats have thought "steady as she goes". Biden is a known quantity and centrist - maybe safer than lots of complicated publicity with opposing democrats being picked apart by right wing media. Good VP too, in Kamala Harris.

I agree. There is no date set for this apparently, as his unsuccessful claim to be immune from prosecution delayed matters for some time. it might not happen before the November election.

Sorry that was in reply to wwm.