Donald Trump a convicted felon

Urmstongran

It was a minor accounting mis-statement. That's it. A fine and a slap on the wrist.

And please do not refer to the payment as "hush money" - how can it be when the recipient has been blabbing her mouth off for the last decade?

Do you genuinely believe that, or are you winding people up?

I know I’m swimming against the tide here. 😁
I just happen to think Trump is a much needed strong character for POTUS.

America as a whole is divided. Much the same as on this thread.

Like all things it seems fine when the system is twisted to suit your own narrative but remember things change. What you’ve supported can come back to get you with vengeance. This is a potential horror show that is about to unfold. Biden should just have had the courage of his convictions and beaten Trump at the ballot box. Shameful day. One that will go down in history as an error of epic proportions.

It matters not what we, in the UK, think of Trump.

However, it appears he is still rather popular in USA . He's ahead in many polls. Word is that this verdict will make him even more popular.

Do Anericans get so worked up about politics in the UK?

Family and friends I have over there say not.

Maybe because the USA is huge - the leader of the Free World - and we are …. just, not.

Urmstongran

It was a minor accounting mis-statement. That's it. A fine and a slap on the wrist.

And please do not refer to the payment as "hush money" - how can it be when the recipient has been blabbing her mouth off for the last decade?

But you’re still ok with him paying a porn star for sex when his wife had just given birth?

Surely buying someone's silence is no more than the late Queen did for Prince Andrew? I don't recall anyone suggesting prosecution of HLM? Perhaps it's a crime in America, but then, what about Clinton and Monica whatever her name was. Is it still hush money when the recipient makes it national news? Anyone else but Trump and no one would have been remotely bothered.

Urmstongran

I know I’m swimming against the tide here. 😁
I just happen to think Trump is a much needed strong character for POTUS.

America as a whole is divided. Much the same as on this thread.

Like all things it seems fine when the system is twisted to suit your own narrative but remember things change. What you’ve supported can come back to get you with vengeance. This is a potential horror show that is about to unfold. Biden should just have had the courage of his convictions and beaten Trump at the ballot box. Shameful day. One that will go down in history as an error of epic proportions.

Biden didn't initiate the proceedings against Trump. Thats just a slur to suit a narrative of poor little Trump.

No, this was the shameful day of epic proportions.

The issue isn't a minor hush money/porn one.

It's the scale of how Trump tried to bribe and lie and corrupt others to get out of it thats significant. It speaks to how he operates.

I think the Republican party are guilty by association in this debacle. By standing by their man, they are showing that they will take power at any price, even if that price is the danger to all of us of having a deranged man, hellbent on revenge, as president.

He was charged with false accounting - attempting to conceal what he had done by falsifying accounts.

Jaberwok

You show me, apart from perhaps Jimmy Carter, an unblemished President? They're ALL such crooks including Joe Biden, especially his son. Nixon anyone? Kennedy, Raegan? the list goes way back! Trump is no different from the average American President. He just broke the 11th commandment and got found out.

What absolute drivel. Biden is not a crook. He is an experienced politician and has deftly led our country the last 4 years despite what tabloid journalism might lead you to believe . Trump is now a convicted felon . Unique to US political history . Sadly, this will not deter many Trump supporters and that is a real crime !

JenniferEccles
There is no requirement for the jury to state which one was broken (and were advised not to I read). The jury were told no need to say which as a matter of Law

Germanshepherdsmum

He was charged with false accounting - attempting to conceal what he had done by falsifying accounts.

Yes, I thought it was that. Misusing campaign funds and then trying to hide it.

He’s appealed which may delay sentencing.

“As we mentioned earlier, Trump's lawyers say they'll appeal all the guilty verdicts against the one-time president.

"Every aspect of this case is ripe for appeal," his lawyer Will Scharf said late last night on Fox News.

Because of these probable imminent appeals, it's been suggested that Trump's sentencing - which is scheduled for 11 July - could be delayed. Some legal experts have said it could take place after the 5 November presidential election.

"There's a very good chance that the case is going to be overturned on appeal but the question is: will that happen before the election? The likelihood of the appeal being heard before the election is not very good," lawyer Annemarie McEvoy told the BBC last night.

"So he will probably be a convicted felon when he runs for office in November."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-69069142

Urmstongran

From the Telegraph:

“Love or hate Trump, this rotten trial is an assault on justice
Trump’s conviction on all counts will tear America’s already fragile political fabric apart from the seams.”

What utter rubbish ! Trump was found guilty on all counts by a 12 member jury of his peers . These jurists were carefully vetted by lawyers of both sides ! This comment is an assault on our justice systems ability to conduct a fair trial . A fair trial is what happened . Trump is guilty on all counts !

NotSpaghetti

JenniferEccles
There is no requirement for the jury to state which one was broken (and were advised not to I read). The jury were told no need to say which as a matter of Law

I thought he was found guilty on all 34 points?

The jury seemed to be pretty positive...

Guilty on 34 counts sounds worse than it is. It only refers to the number of instalments by which Trump arranged for his then lawyer and sleazy fixer, Michael Cohen, to be reimbursed for paying Daniels.

Andrew Neil

And apparently the appeal could take months, even years, leaving Trump free to campaign

Mazie yes, my comment was in response to JenniferEccles earlier.
Sorry if it was confusing.

Curtaintwitcher

It was a foregone conclusion. This wouldn't have happened if he didn't still have massive support and a strong chance of being elected again.
He is an unpleasant person but he is what America needs.

Some parts of America may want someone like Trump, but he is the last thing that America needs That is not a party statement but a general one. Apart from his own crimes, a President as stupid as Trump will not be on top of all his ministers and lieutenants, so it would be every man into the trough for his own gains, and the devil take the rest of the country.

Rekarie

*Guilty on 34 counts sounds worse than it is. It only refers to the number of instalments by which Trump arranged for his then lawyer and sleazy fixer, Michael Cohen, to be reimbursed for paying Daniels.*

Andrew Neil

And apparently the appeal could take months, even years, leaving Trump free to campaign

According to a former criminal defence lawyer, who posted a long thread on twitter/X

Now, this Trump case—34 felonies for Falsifying Business Records, with what otherwise would’ve been 34 misdemeanors *elevated to felonies on the statutory basis that they were committed in service of a federal election fraud conspiracy*—isn’t actually that factually complicated.

Whole long thread here, it's not actually on twitter, so anyone can access it.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1791200413749817367.html

The point is it was a criminal "hush-money" scheme in order to influence the election

That is the point. Not the point or the payments. The purpuse

*purpose
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NotSpaghetti The piece I read stated that the jurors were not told specifically which law was broken, and the basis of the appeal centres around the fact that it was an uncharged federal crime, and the question of whether the District Attorney had the power to do so as it had never been done before.

If people had the stamina to read the thread I linked to the lawyer predicted that Trumps lawyers would try to focus on the 'hush money' element to deflect people from thinking about the serious, and principal, rationale of the trial, a criminal attempt to influence the election.

... would that not be difficult to prove - the purpose?

Dickens

... would that not be difficult to prove - the purpose?

Yes. - hence the long challenges about the timeframe of the hush money (close to election) which was disproving the arguments put forward by Trump.