Donald Trump a convicted felon

JenniferEccles please read the link from Maizie

MaizieD

If people had the stamina to read the thread I linked to the lawyer predicted that Trumps lawyers would try to focus on the 'hush money' element to deflect people from thinking about the serious, and principal, rationale of the trial, a criminal attempt to influence the election.

Yes.

It cant be proved of course.

Thats why I think the Georgia allegations of a criminal attempt to influence the election so important.

MayBee70

Urmstongran

It was a minor accounting mis-statement. That's it. A fine and a slap on the wrist.

And please do not refer to the payment as "hush money" - how can it be when the recipient has been blabbing her mouth off for the last decade?

But you’re still ok with him paying a porn star for sex when his wife had just given birth?

The man’s morals are not my concern. I think French politicians have a similar take. If his wife has a problem I’m sure she’d deal with it. No, my concern and support regards his suitability to be a powerful and successful politician.

Finally!

Poor woman, that Stormy Daniels.

" No, my concern and support regards his suitability to be a powerful and successful politician."

so how does this sit with his attempt to rig the votes in Georgia - in his own recorded words

Trump says on the call. " All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. ... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break "

who can say he is a suitable POTUS after that?

Just hope it doesn’t lead to their 2 nd Civil War.

The man is a convicted felon. He is not suitable for office or much else . He is also a failed businessman. He is a proven liar and cheat . He has more serious charges ahead that have yet to be brought to court . Subverting an election and the Jan 6 insurrection . It’s really dreadful to listen to any argument that this man is fit for office .

You only have to watch the documentary about how he treated people in Scotland when he built a golf course there to see what sort of person he is.

He seems to think that if he repeats enough times that the judge is biased etc etc he can con people into thinking he isnt guilty!! How anyone could want to vote for such a liar, cheat and selfish person is amazing. Doesnt say much for their judgement and the thought of him being chosen is very depressing!

Trump must be spending millions trying to interfere with the other cases.

Bit of a long read, but very informative just how politics can undermine a judiciary. Scandalous

www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-convicted-new-york-other-criminal-cases/#

Putin must be loving this. A divided US plus withdrawal from NATO would suit him perfectly.

Trump is a misogynistic bullying narcissist with a questionable intellect but a good nose for telling people what they want to hear even if it's complete lies. I'm genuinely surprised that anyone should think he made a good POTUS last time round and even then, I'm amazed that his attempt to overthrow a legitimate election result hasn't made them change their mind!
Interesting article based on research done in 2017 on who supports Trump. Staunch Conservatives 31%, American Preservationists 20%, Anti Elites 19%, Free Marketeers 25% and the Disengaged, interestingly four things brought them together, attitudes to Hilary Clinton, evaluations of the economy, views about illegal immigration and views about Muslim immigration. I guess anyone in the UK would be most influenced by the last two thing which are about immigration. I'd be interested in knowing what is holding up support now in the US.
Full article here:
www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/the-five-types-trump-voters

Aveline

Putin must be loving this. A divided US plus withdrawal from NATO would suit him perfectly.

Yes, it's worrying.

Wonder what Trump was like when a child? I can well imagine him making life hell for all the other kiddies in the Reception class.
The sort of spoilt bratty type who always shouts "me first" and "biggest piece of cake for me!"

Syracute

The man is a convicted felon. He is not suitable for office or much else . He is also a failed businessman. He is a proven liar and cheat . He has more serious charges ahead that have yet to be brought to court . Subverting an election and the Jan 6 insurrection . It’s really dreadful to listen to any argument that this man is fit for office .

I agree. He’s totally unfit for anything. But, American politics is for Americans to vote on.

Hopefully, the ”sensible majority” will prevail.🙄

Trump seems to think that if you keep saying everyone else is wrong he can get away with it., and will only have to believe it when he gets put in prison. Why would anyone want to vote for a self centred liar, totally untrustworthy , to be the president? I see that Farage is thinking of joining him too. Well it takes one to know one!! The thought that people actually want to have him as president beggars belief!

Whitewavemark2

It is really quite bizarre - Trump, as a conflicted felon can no longer vote, but can stand for President.

It seems that Trump, contrary to his rhetoric, will be affected by this sentence. Independent (floating voters) are more likely to change their minds and turn away from Trump.

Read on CBS news, he can still vote, if he's not in prison.

Siope

Jaberwok

You show me, apart from perhaps Jimmy Carter, an unblemished President? They're ALL such crooks including Joe Biden, especially his son. Nixon anyone? Kennedy, Raegan? the list goes way back! Trump is no different from the average American President. He just broke the 11th commandment and got found out.

My husband, an American who has lived through 14 Presidents, most of them whilst in the USA, and my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law, who remember/have lived through every president since FDR assure me you don’t know what you’re doing asking about

Well Nixon only escaped criminalcharges due to his resignation, even gave up security arrangements, oh and the "pardonby his pal", American paper.

What a whining, whinging, lying, slanderous, bullying, snivelling third-rate excuse for a man. Just heard him on the teatime news - same old, same old empty twaddle. Lord!

madeleine45

Trump seems to think that if you keep saying everyone else is wrong he can get away with it., and will only have to believe it when he gets put in prison. Why would anyone want to vote for a self centred liar, totally untrustworthy , to be the president? I see that Farage is thinking of joining him too. Well it takes one to know one!! The thought that people actually want to have him as president beggars belief!

You've hit the nail on the head Madelaine

This is the secret of populism - you lie, and lie and lie again, because you think that if you tell the same lie enough times it becomes accepted as the truth.

This tactic actually works where you have client journalists and right-wing media repeating the lie on a daily basis.

So the Maga cult tells its supporters that Trump tells the truth, when in fact he lies through his teeth almost every time he opens his mouth.

The Maga cult insists that Trump won the 2020 Presidential election when more than 60 court cases, often in front of Trump appointed judges have found absolutely no evidence of election fraud. The fact is that Biden won - but Maga is not interested in facts. Trump' spokesperson Kellyanne Conway famously coined the phrase "alternative facts" - which actually means lies we need our supporters to believe.

I love local papers

Another very long twitter thread by the man I posted a link to earlier.

Seth Abramson was a US defence lawyer (presumably equivalent to a UK barrister). He wrote a biography of Trump and is now a journalist.

I hope he is bone fide. He is pretty damning about Trump but it rings very true.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1796254817741885702.html

I don't know if this is factual, but since someone asked what he was like as a child: apparently some neighbor had left her baby in the back garden, heard it crying, and went out to find that Trump, around 6 years old, was throwing rocks at the pram. I cannot IMAGINE what in his childhood would give him the idea that doing that was amusing or acceptable. To me it seems like he was a sociopath even as a child.

This, however, IS factual: his parents and teachers found him so difficult that they sent him away to school, to a military academy. They didn't send any of their other children away to school-not his two brothers, say.

I'm just sitting here in California hoping that his followers don't think this is a good time to riot. I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Normally, in a year with a presidential election, people would have bumper stickers on their cars stating "Biden" or "Trump"; sometimes people put up signs in their front gardens so that the world driving by can see which candidate they support. I live in a small town where there's a lot of support for Biden, but I have not seen a single bumper sticker or yard sign for him. I frankly am too scared to put one up (and it would be for Biden). On the other had, on the highway out of town--which goes through a rural area--I have seen three or four MASSIVE signs saying "TRUMP" and one saying "TRUMP OR DIE." Ick. I keep wondering what the person with the TRUMP OR DIE sign is going to do if Trump loses the election.

Nmama

I don't know if this is factual, but since someone asked what he was like as a child: apparently some neighbor had left her baby in the back garden, heard it crying, and went out to find that Trump, around 6 years old, was throwing rocks at the pram. I cannot IMAGINE what in his childhood would give him the idea that doing that was amusing or acceptable. To me it seems like he was a sociopath even as a child.

This, however, IS factual: his parents and teachers found him so difficult that they sent him away to school, to a military academy. They didn't send any of their other children away to school-not his two brothers, say.

I'm just sitting here in California hoping that his followers don't think this is a good time to riot. I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Normally, in a year with a presidential election, people would have bumper stickers on their cars stating "Biden" or "Trump"; sometimes people put up signs in their front gardens so that the world driving by can see which candidate they support. I live in a small town where there's a lot of support for Biden, but I have not seen a single bumper sticker or yard sign for him. I frankly am too scared to put one up (and it would be for Biden). On the other had, on the highway out of town--which goes through a rural area--I have seen three or four MASSIVE signs saying "TRUMP" and one saying "TRUMP OR DIE." Ick. I keep wondering what the person with the TRUMP OR DIE sign is going to do if Trump loses the election.

Interesting post Nmama, from the 'front line' as it were.

The fact you - and others - are afraid to display a Biden-sticker is alarming, but not surprising, given the fervour of some Trump supporters, and what happened whilst lawmakers were convening inside Congress to certify Biden's presidency back in 2020. I'm choosing my words carefully here.

Let's hope that your fears, though understandable, are unfounded, and that the TRUMP OR DIE sticker is the sloganeering of an individual who is perhaps over-enthusiastic about showing his support for the man.

As for his childhood. I only get my information from the media, like most, so always take what is written with a light pinch of salt. However, his niece, Mary, talking about his childhood, believes he does not have the ability to laugh at himself, and that it stems from an incident where a bowl of mashed potato was dumped on his head by her father to stop him tormenting their younger brother, Robert. This story apparently entered family folklore and was brought up on family occasions with Donald present, and unable to see the 'funny' side of it.

But, if it is true, one has to take into consideration the fact that, funny as it may appear to an onlooker, it would be intensely humiliating to a young child, and being constantly reminded of such humiliation would actually upset quite a lot of people.

I wonder if his aggressive bluster and rhetoric could be a result of that, or similar, events in his childhood? He's frequently been described as a 'man-child' because he does give the impression of a petulant child. It's interesting- we are all formed by our childhood, in one way or another. Who knows.
Anyway, it's a long time until November. But in the political realm - it's fast paced. Who knows what will happen between now and then.

Thanks for an interesting post. I hope your fears are groundless.

Boris Johnson has dismissed Donald Trump’s conviction as the result of a liberal “hit job” that would only make his re-election more likely.

The former prime minister, who enjoyed warm relations with the then president while in office, said: “This was no ordinary political assassination. This was a machine-gun mob-style hit-job on Trump.”

But he said the “anti-Trump lawfare is backfiring”, and has “helped to make his victory more likely, not less” in his rematch with Joe Biden.

Interesting!