Seems Farage has an announcement to make at 4pm today.

Farage - and I have to presume Reform - want to get out of the ECHR.

This is also a policy Cleverly has in the last 2 days (Telegraph reports) mentioned as being "maybe necessary" since Farage has suddenly come to prominence.

I am very against this. It's been a cornerstone of checks and balances since Winston Churchill help found it in 1951.

Farage has also specifically proposed that the Royal Navy be used to turn back small boats at sea.
This is not in favour by the Navy

www.navylookout.com/why-its-not-the-royal-navys-job-to-stop-migrant-boats/

Maremia

Now some folk are saying that he was in on the stunt, to get publicity. The plot thickens. Was the stunt fake news? Was saying it is 'fake news', is that fake news? Depends on whether or not the girl is actually charged by the Police. No matter what, he is headlining, so a win for him.

Pleased to say she has been charged. No one has the right to assaualt anyone, however much you disagree with their politics or dislike them,.
Criminal record if found guilty, well deserved.
Anyone who agrees with her entitled childish antics are part of a big problem, this is a democracy, attacking someone you dont like, or for a possible publicity stunt, again another thought going the round is not acceptable. It could have been acid.
We have had two MPs murdered in the past. Do people never learn.

Urmstongran

Ah. You have a forensic intelligence Siope. I defer to your greater explanation.

I wasn’t being disingenuous by the way, I simply wasn’t aware of the changes you outline.

Polls eh?

That’s generous of you. I don’t, in fact, I just quite like statistics, so read all sorts of crap about them.

The intention, I guess, of the change is that it will bring the voting intentions poll (the one you’ve quoted) closer in results to the MRP poll so it doesn’t look as if pollsters are saying two somewhat different things at the same time.

Whitewavemark2

Pantglas2

Which site did you use to fact check Farage’s six claims WW?

I’m a ‘fence sitter’ by the way in case you wanted to put me in a box 😂. I generally don’t believe anything political unless I can read it myself so a pointer to your source would be good.

X - I cut and paste.

It is a wind-up really

You mean … (gulp) … it’s FAKE NEWS? 😮

Ah I understand now Siope. Thank you.

zakouma66

Which of his attributes and policies do people particularly admire pease?

Still waiting in hope.

I don't think its about shop lifting.

Myself and Urms posted stuff already.

I am beginning to think you are like the anti Brexit people.
Given things, but even 4 years after Brexit, no amount of answers is ever good enough.

So I am out of that particular game, personally.

And no, a question about the above post[however carefully worded or not] will not produce an answer from me personally, either.

Urmstongran

Whitewavemark2

Pantglas2

Which site did you use to fact check Farage’s six claims WW?

I’m a ‘fence sitter’ by the way in case you wanted to put me in a box 😂. I generally don’t believe anything political unless I can read it myself so a pointer to your source would be good.

X - I cut and paste.

It is a wind-up really

You mean … (gulp) … it’s FAKE NEWS? 😮

Oh come on.
Please dont do that ww, if that is what it is.

Farage - and I have to presume Reform - want to get out of the ECHR.

That is what I was thinking to write yesterday. But wasnt sure of my facts. And then something to do with the Dublin Agreement would come into play. Again, dont know enough facts.

Surely all that will happen is that up to four seats will potentially be stolen (from Tory seats), by Reform candidates, one of which may, or may not be, Nigel Farage. Only very disgruntled Tory voters are likely to vote for Reform. Farage has already been unsuccessful 7 times to gain a seat as a UK MP and he might find it’s quite hard work being an MP particularly in a deprived constituency. He simply cannot bear not be in the news. He’s tedious, a mild annoyance, nothing less, nothing more. Btw my knickers are fine thanks.

4 seats for Reform? Not to be sneered at. Caroline Lucas would’ve been overjoyed with that many for the Greens! (back in the day)

Urmstongran

4 seats for Reform? Not to be sneered at. Caroline Lucas would’ve been overjoyed with that many for the Greens! (back in the day)

I’m not sneering at all, I’m just not fazed!

Or in the words of Catherine Tate, “I’m not bovvered”

fancythat

^Farage - and I have to presume Reform - want to get out of the ECHR.^

That is what I was thinking to write yesterday. But wasnt sure of my facts. And then something to do with the Dublin Agreement would come into play. Again, dont know enough facts.

It's in Reform Policy documents.

"Mr Farage’s party has pledged to leave the ECHR in its election offer, with the Reform leader suggesting it would ensure “sovereignty” over the UK’s borders."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-secretary-james-cleverly-nigel-farage-strasbourg-reform-b2556509.html

U tube Farage too
www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Farage+leave+the+ECGR&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f0c5b1ca,vid:W9T8E6k4AKo,st:0

I news, Tory Cabinet hold talks about pledge on leaving ECHR amid Farage fears

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-cabinet-hold-talks-over-pledge-on-leaving-echr-amid-farage-fears-3091599?ico=above_article_ticker

this same article quote
*Farage, who launched a grenade into the Tories’ embattled election campaign on Monday by announcing he was taking over Reform leader and standing to become an MP,

has called for a referendum on quitting the ECHR
yes, a referendum.

Whats N and P?

News and Politics

I didn’t say YOU sneered Cossy.
It was in itself a complete sentence about the fact of getting 4 seats “not to be sneered at”.
It’s a saying.
It wasn’t directed at anybody personally!

fancythat

^Farage - and I have to presume Reform - want to get out of the ECHR.^

That is what I was thinking to write yesterday. But wasnt sure of my facts. And then something to do with the Dublin Agreement would come into play. Again, dont know enough facts.

Are you thinking of the Good Friday Agreement. You know, the one negotiated during the Blair government, which ended 30 years of horrific violence and terrorism in Northern Ireland and here on the UK mainland. The ECHR is a key part of that agreement, as is the open border between NI and TheRoI.

The Dublin Agreement was the intra EU agreement under which we would return asylum seekers to the EU safe country they'd left to come to the UK. Stupid Brexit put a stop to that..

Yes, in the end a compromise was brokered.

By the way, it's worth noting that the only other European nations not signed up to the ECHR are Belarus, and Russia

Great company.....

WHAT WAS IT ON 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️. Feel stupid I couldn't find it

Urmstongran

I’ve read Police don’t turn up for shoplifting of under £200. That what the lady in Boots told me last year. “We just move the expensive stuff behind the tills and put the empty boxes on the shelves for the customers who then pick up to bring to the till”.

Surely Whitewave we’ve ALL seen this? It can’t just be in Urmston!
🤣

Well, I’ll be honest here. And, no, I’m not a Tory groupie lol. I live on London outskirts, covered by the Met police.

Even when entire shelves are cleared by shoplifting gangs, police very rarely appear. It’s usually things like alcohol, tobacco and they are often armed with knives.

The police say it’s “low priority”.

Now, it could be put down to Tory cuts, over 14 years, or it could be put down to poor leadership in various police forces.

But, it’s getting worse. And, I’m not sure a new government will be able to change this much.🤷‍♀️

urms Sky last night suggesting that the Spectator is now supporting Reform!!

Thought that would please you 😀

It’s becoming ‘lawless Britain’ DiamondLily. No police action for crimes yet plenty in the streets to police demo events.

Yes that was a surprise Whitewave! I really do think some voters are now really considering Reform.

Urmstongran

I didn’t say YOU sneered Cossy.
It was in itself a complete sentence about the fact of getting 4 seats “not to be sneered at”.
It’s a saying.
It wasn’t directed at anybody personally!

Fair enough. It doesn’t changed my view that I give not one fig for anything Farage may or may not do or say.

Wyllow3

Yes, in the end a compromise was brokered.

By the way, it's worth noting that the only other European nations not signed up to the ECHR are Belarus, and Russia

Great company.....

It would be an utter catastrophe to pull out and only a very stupid, short sighted person/group would even begin to suggest this.

DiamondLily

I think it’s actually a combination of people cuts AND poor leadership. Also people just don’t bother reporting “low level” crime as they think it’s a waste of time. I see their point but those statistics are used each year to calculate how many police should be allocated to certain areas.

Police are often from different divisions and on overtime for things like demos/football/big events.