Seems Farage has an announcement to make at 4pm today.

Farage disciples aren't interested in facts. Their response is emotional and derives from fear and a sense of losing their Country to others. Farage, of course, feeds on that mindset.

Someone said today that their Portillo moment at the election will be if the Tories win Clacton.

Amen to that.

Frustration and helplessness are understandable but every dictatorship in history has started by creating fear of "the others" and "them", and whipping it up with rhetoric. Farage's background is very far right - BNP, pro Enoch Powell, anti semitism, anti muslim.
We saw it in the Brexit poster that he was forced to withdraw.
Farage "heroically" standing - but did Brexit stop migration anyway!

He’s swanning around in a tank in France today; cheap publicity stunt on such a somber day of remembrance. Despicable man.

Yes cheap is the correct description.

How dare he be there. On a day when Europe is showing solidarity and strength against the threat from Russia he is someone that has made it his life’s ambition the split Europe. Thank goodness other countries had the sense not to follow our self destructive example.

Mt61

You can bet if his wife or mother needed urgent care he would pay privately for that treatment, he’s not going to be waiting years for treatment! & anyone that doesn’t believe that are deluding themselves

I agreeMt60 as if, if I had the money I'd pay to go private and beat the queue who wouldn't, oh Starmer mmmm although he says/does anything to gain favour with the voters you only have to remember the crass knee bending photo with Rayner to Black Lives Matter good grief. He thinks some women can have penises lol. Remember Dianne Abbot oh yes OK for the boys in her constituency to go to a state school but not her boy no off to the private school he went pronto, hypocrites the lot of them and Conservatives they are no better, a complete overhaul of our Parliamentary system is needed ie Reform Party might not happen this time but mark my words a change is coming.

Wyllow3

Frustration and helplessness are understandable but every dictatorship in history has started by creating fear of "the others" and "them", and whipping it up with rhetoric. Farage's background is very far right - BNP, pro Enoch Powell, anti semitism, anti muslim.
We saw it in the Brexit poster that he was forced to withdraw.
Farage "heroically" standing - but did Brexit stop migration anyway!

No Brexit didn't stop migration because the Torys let us down and Brexit was not implemented properly, they had the power an 80 seat majority to do anything they wanted and they let Britain down. The Brexit Party stood aside to help them gain that majority and they squandered it.

Brexit has been a failure. Even Farage says that. 🙄

Wyllow3 your superiority really shines through! Do I feel “whipped up” by “rhetoric?” Very disparaging!

DiamondLily

Brexit has been a failure. Even Farage says that. 🙄

Erm, he says it because the Tory government didn’t enact the possibilities open to us DiamondLily. Sluggish, half hearted he actually said. I agree!

Maybe it’s because they weren’t prepared to break international agreements, ones that were ignored by the leave campaign.

Maybe MayBee but maybe not.

BevSec

Wyllow3 your superiority really shines through! Do I feel “whipped up” by “rhetoric?” Very disparaging!

Hardly disparaging.. spot on more like..

We are all entitled to our own opinions without being disparaged for them pascal 30.

BevSec

We are all entitled to our own opinions without being disparaged for them pascal 30.

There was no need to be rude to Wyllow either.

Urmstongran

DiamondLily

Brexit has been a failure. Even Farage says that. 🙄

Erm, he says it because the Tory government didn’t enact the possibilities open to us DiamondLily. Sluggish, half hearted he actually said. I agree!

Farage moved his wealth away to the EU, obtained dual nationality and cleared off to live with his French lady friend.

And left the rest of us to deal with the mess.

Nicenanny3

Wyllow3

Frustration and helplessness are understandable but every dictatorship in history has started by creating fear of "the others" and "them", and whipping it up with rhetoric. Farage's background is very far right - BNP, pro Enoch Powell, anti semitism, anti muslim.
We saw it in the Brexit poster that he was forced to withdraw.
Farage "heroically" standing - but did Brexit stop migration anyway!

No Brexit didn't stop migration because the Torys let us down and Brexit was not implemented properly, they had the power an 80 seat majority to do anything they wanted and they let Britain down. The Brexit Party stood aside to help them gain that majority and they squandered it.

What would proper implementation have been? Nobody knew before the referendum what leaving the EU would actually mean.

Urmstongran

DiamondLily

Brexit has been a failure. Even Farage says that. 🙄

Erm, he says it because the Tory government didn’t enact the possibilities open to us DiamondLily. Sluggish, half hearted he actually said. I agree!

Nearly half the population didn't want those "possibilities". Have you ever heard of democracy and consensus?

BevSec I'm sure that you and others supporting reform here don't get "whipped up".

I was describing how certain sorts of politicians function - as history has shown all too well.

Writing and illustrating "every dictatorship in history has started by creating fear of "the others" and "them", and whipping it up with rhetoric"

is not a personal attack on anyone here.

Growstuff asked, "what would proper implementation have been".

I do genuinely want to know what wasn't done as at the time it was described by all as a "hard" Brexit.

MayBee70

He’s swanning around in a tank in France today; cheap publicity stunt on such a somber day of remembrance. Despicable man.

He never misses an opportunity, no matter how disrespectful and inappropriate. 😑

No Brexit didn't stop migration because the Torys let us down and Brexit was not implemented properly

I think that this sentence from Nn's post gives us a fairly strong clue as to what she thinks a 'properly implemented Brexit would have done.

Of course, it was 'properly implemented'. The legal side was properly done and we have left the EU as 'advised' by a slightly larger number of people than those who 'advised' that we remain a member.

growstuff

Urmstongran

DiamondLily

Brexit has been a failure. Even Farage says that. 🙄

Erm, he says it because the Tory government didn’t enact the possibilities open to us DiamondLily. Sluggish, half hearted he actually said. I agree!

Nearly half the population didn't want those "possibilities". Have you ever heard of democracy and consensus?

I have indeed growstuff what a silly question.
The ‘majority’ (who could be bothered on the day) voted Out.
Now, THAT’s democracy at work - right there. (Even though you didn’t like the result).
‘Nearly’. Yes. I understand.
But even losing by one vote gives a majority to the other side.

Democracy is where you vote for a political party and have the chance to change every 5 years.

It is time to revisit what we voted for regarding Brexit, and change our minds if we see fit.

Although I don’t se another referendum being the way forward - far too divisive.

We need political parties to pick up the baton.