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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 13:27:46

GNews is run by The National Pulse which is a USA/UK right wing website which has taken up the Farage cause.

Go here first for the “white tears” article
thenationalpulse.com/2024/06/14/nigel-farages-election-opponent-boasted-about-drinking-white-man-tears/

Then to the main website

thenationalpulse.com/about/

If you look into the site and its content its quite clear where its loyalties lie

For example it has “exclusive content” by Steve Bannon who is famed for his rally cries on behalf of Trump as in “death or victory! Shouted many times.

CNN article


Former President Donald Trump said in a recent interview that undocumented immigrants were “poisoning the blood of our country,” using language that is often employed by White supremacists and nativists in comments that have drawn rebuke from one prominent civil rights group.
“Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country,”

Trump told the right-leaning news site The National Pulse in a video interview published last week.

“It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.””

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 13:32:45

National Pulse website is “The National Pulse is a politics, culture, and health news site founded and operated by Editor-in-Chief Raheem J. Kassam.”

Kassam has been a long term supporter of Farage.

(Wiki)

“Raheem J. Kassam (born 1 August 1986)[1] is a British political activist, former editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London,

and former chief adviser to former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage.[2]

He has been described as far-right[3][4][5] and right-wing[6] by several media publications.

Kassam formerly ran in the party's November 2016 leadership election before dropping out of the race on 31 October 2016.[7] He is the former global editor-in-chief of Human Events and most recently became the editor-in-chief of The National Pulse.[8]”

tickingbird Sun 30-Jun-24 13:35:58

I’ll be voting Reform and I don’t give a monkey’s what anyone thinks.

Caleo Sun 30-Jun-24 13:44:17

Old people tend to be easily scared by foreigners especially dark skinned foreigners. That is your answer to "Why Farage?"

Mr Farage stirs up fears of foreigners and dark skinned others.

Iam64 Sun 30-Jun-24 13:49:48

Wyllow3

Are you aware of the actual origins of that phrase? "white mans tears?"
Its got a long literary and social history in the USA and its origin is quite clear - white people who have a sort of pious compassion for racial minorities but are as in Foxie's definition
" I can't be racist because I have a friend who is black/Muslim/ Jewish etc etc."

I don’t see his comments as racist.
It’s historically accurate. I also accept that as a black person, he is likely to have more experience of racism than I have. Just as I don’t expect men to know more about the lived experience of a woman than someone like me, an adult human female

Merion Sun 30-Jun-24 14:11:24

Doodledog

I assume he meant it was in the same way that Sunak says he is proud to be the first Asian PM. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see his comment as racist.

Perhaps given the context he meant it as a way of saying that Farage is encouraging the sort of hatred that would be dangerous for people of colour.

Either way, it’s not remotely the same in my opinion.

I agree. It’s an expression which appears to derive from French philosopher Pascal Bruckner’s 1983 book The Tears of the White Man: Compassion as Contempt.

The title for that draws on Kipling’s poem The White Man’s Burden in which he describes colonisation as a burden necessarily borne by the white man—a result of his intellectual and cultural superiority.

Jovan Owusu Nepal is a PPE graduate of Goldsmith’s with a Masters from Cambridge in History. His master's dissertation was on the history of anti-racist and anti-imperialist movements within the British Labour Movement and charting the history of the Labour Party Black Sections (1980-1989).

Only he can explain what he meant by what he is alleged to have said but I understand the comment was made long before he was selected as LP candidate for Clacton which was before Farage decided to stand. My own interpretation would that he simply wants people of colour to be treated equally, not to be seen as inferior, a social problem or a case for pious compassion.

I think it’s a shame what has happened. Giles Watling has a huge majority in Clacton but it could have been a good seat for a first time LP candidate to contest just for experience. Sadly, Farage has now made the contest a toxic media circus.

Clacton has long been a strong Tory seat and was only won by UKIP temporarily when Douglas Carswell defected from the Tories and took his supporters with him.

In 2016, Carswell said that he had "jumped ship with the express goal of changing the image of UKIP and ensuring that it was an asset rather than a liability in the referendum campaign to decontaminate the brand”. (Wiki). Interesting words - that the UKIP brand (lead by Farage) needed to be decontaminated.

Carswell left UKIP on 25 March 2017 to sit as an independent MP. He did not stand at the 2017 election.

This will be a straight race between Watling, who seems to have a sensible, collaborative approach to the small boats, and Farage who seems to want to start a war with France.

All this about Jovan Owusu Nepal is just noise to distract and disrupt which is what Farage does best. This is one seat I hope the Tories hold.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:15:05

Yia Yusuf gave an absolutely fantastic speech what a wonderful young man he is, if only he could be our new Prime Minister putting the needs of our people first and making Britain Great again, well perhaps in 5 years time he might be. A revolution is happening Vote Reform UK and be part of it instead of voting for the same old, same old parties.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:17:03

tickingbird

I’ll be voting Reform and I don’t give a monkey’s what anyone thinks.

Way to go tickingbird stand up for what you believe in and make Britain great again.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:18:51

Caleo

Old people tend to be easily scared by foreigners especially dark skinned foreigners. That is your answer to "Why Farage?"

Mr Farage stirs up fears of foreigners and dark skinned others.

Only in a bigoted person's eyes. Perhaps you should have watched the Birmingham rally before you commented negatively.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:30:31

I just have watched large chunks on immigration. The way he described migrants made me feel sick so biased. (ie said nearly all all young men coming from actual participating in war and gangs)

However, despite all his rhetoric, Farage has still not told us how we will send the boats back to French beaches.

And until he does, I say that his immigration policy is nothing - but empty rhetoric because he offers nothing else - his economic policies we know just dont add up.

Nothing new in the speech but oven ready memes around patriotic, crisis

Callistemon213 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:32:52

Caleo

Old people tend to be easily scared by foreigners especially dark skinned foreigners. That is your answer to "Why Farage?"

Mr Farage stirs up fears of foreigners and dark skinned others.

How old is old?

I even know some old people who are married to foreigners, what you call dark-skinned ones too.

Fancy that.

Primrose53 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:36:09

Nicenanny3

Caleo

Old people tend to be easily scared by foreigners especially dark skinned foreigners. That is your answer to "Why Farage?"

Mr Farage stirs up fears of foreigners and dark skinned others.

Only in a bigoted person's eyes. Perhaps you should have watched the Birmingham rally before you commented negatively.

Nicenanny3 can I still see the Rally anywhere? I realise it’s over now but would rather like to see it. Thanks

Shinamae Sun 30-Jun-24 14:38:04

Nicenanny3

tickingbird

I’ll be voting Reform and I don’t give a monkey’s what anyone thinks.

Way to go tickingbird stand up for what you believe in and make Britain great again.

I’m with you…🤓

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:48:11

Its on U tube, Primrose, they both broadcast it live and still have it up

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:48:32

www.youtube.com/live/k6zEtbVe-ds?si=pKMBdsuh2ypawg4b

Ladyleftfieldlover Sun 30-Jun-24 14:49:17

Are Reform voters hoping for a return to a 1950s style England with mainly white faces and maybe one or two Indian doctors? A fish and chip shop on every corner. The King’s English on the telly. A woman’s place in the home and plenty of children to ensure we never need immigrants. My mum would have loved that. Not me.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:50:38

14:36Primrose53

This is Yia Yusuf Primrose I can't find the start of the event.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:53:11

Ladyleftfieldlover

Are Reform voters hoping for a return to a 1950s style England with mainly white faces and maybe one or two Indian doctors? A fish and chip shop on every corner. The King’s English on the telly. A woman’s place in the home and plenty of children to ensure we never need immigrants. My mum would have loved that. Not me.

Perhaps you should watch Yia Yusuf's speech first before making such bigoted claims.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:55:50

I'd watch chunks of it LLFieldlover to get the flavour like I did.
I wouldn't say what you've just said, because a lot of is actually very vague, but primarily round migrants threatening our ways of life without being very specific what it is except of course if the migrants were turned back we'd suddenly have enough dentists and GP's and so on....

sorry to go on about it, but it really is so dishonest saying we promise Zero migration turn back boats but not saying how.

Its a kind of magical thinking/promise making.

Merion Sun 30-Jun-24 15:13:05

Ladyleftfieldlover

Are Reform voters hoping for a return to a 1950s style England with mainly white faces and maybe one or two Indian doctors? A fish and chip shop on every corner. The King’s English on the telly. A woman’s place in the home and plenty of children to ensure we never need immigrants. My mum would have loved that. Not me.

Don’t forget that Farage is a mate of vile misogynist Andrew Tate.

Nigel Farage has praised the misogynist influencer Andrew Tate for being an “important voice” for the “emasculated” and giving boys “perhaps a bit of confidence at school” in online interviews that appear to be aimed at young men over the past year.

Since December 2022, Tate has been facing charges in Romania of human trafficking, rape, and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women.

Many politicians and teachers have spoken out against Tate’s influence on young boys in the UK, after the self-proclaimed misogynist said women belonged in the home and were a man’s property.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

Ian Gribbin, standing for Reform in Bexhill and Battle believes that women are the “sponging gender” He said that men pay 80% of tax, women take out 80%. Women are subsidised by men to merely breath. Square that inequality first by depriving women of healthcare until their life expectancies are the same as men.

I cannot fathom how any woman could vote for Reform unless she wants a Gilead-like state where women’s rights are systematically removed and we exist only to serve men if we are allowed to exist at all other than in small numbers. I really do fear that we are heading for a totalitarian state under these men as they plot for power in the longer term.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 15:20:55

15:13Merion

Who are you voting for Starmer who doesn't know what a woman is and thinks she/they may have penises 😱 takes all sorts I suppose 🤔

Casdon Sun 30-Jun-24 15:29:12

Instead of lashing out at everybody whose view is different to yours Nicenanny3, why not articulate why you are voting Reform? More than two sentences of sound bites would be good, as I’ve not seen a thought through, detailed post from you yet?

Shinamae Sun 30-Jun-24 15:44:55

Casdon

Instead of lashing out at everybody whose view is different to yours Nicenanny3, why not articulate why you are voting Reform? More than two sentences of sound bites would be good, as I’ve not seen a thought through, detailed post from you yet?

“Lashing out”….. are you actually serious? 😂😂
Go back and read this thread from the beginning and find insulting comments for anyone who dares to support Farage or even watch GB News..

Merion Sun 30-Jun-24 15:55:36

Nicenanny3

15:13Merion

Who are you voting for Starmer who doesn't know what a woman is and thinks she/they may have penises 😱 takes all sorts I suppose 🤔

Who I chose to vote for is none of your business. I prefer reasoned, evidenced debate rather than personal insults. I have reported your post.

Flowerette Sun 30-Jun-24 16:02:17

He’s a complete fool
Loving all the attention
He’s too far right for me
Trouble maker and vote disrupter