Minister for Women and Equalities

No one cares whether someone calls themselves Arthur or Martha, wears a skirt or trousers- let them get on with their lives, what doesn’t make sense is denying biological realities.

I don't care if someone wears trousers or a skirt in public - I do care if a man takes his clothes off in a space reserved for women and girls, and that is the crux of the matter.

Telling children they are 'in the wrong body' and competitive sports are also important, as is mangling the language to make women invisible.

Unfortunately those who hold the line in respect of men being lawfully men, and women being women have little or no power to change or uphold the the law.
All parties have MPs who have children who are now transitioning.

There is no appetite to support bio sex in any meaningful way.

I do support in my life off GN, many practical ways of trying to rectify
this awful problem.

I dont spout about them because I prefer not to.

But anyone who thinks that this subject is going to be rectified by a handful of laws is mistaken.
As was said up thread, it really isnt practical or financially viable for individuals to have to rely on the court process to gain satisfaction.
Eventually all but the wealthy or determined will be closed down.

Thank goodness for KJK (who gets no recognition) and JK Rowling.

I agree vegansrock .

Anyone who dares to say that a transwoman is not a woman, is shot down in flames as I have been. JKR says it all the time and I’m so pleased she and some other well known women aren’t frightened to face truth and reality.

I’m sure the majority of transwomen just want to get on with their lives. It is the militant transwomen I find very frightening.

Of course tights for women are important. Free speech is also at the root of this problem.
But imv schools, children's institutions, clubs etc. are badly in need of change.

Tights🤣🤣 = rights

I’d have loved to see Rosie Duffield. appointed minister for women too, but Starmer has never supported her in any way, which absolutely disgusts me. I had to hold my nose almost to the point of suffocation to put my X by the Labour candidate. I’ll give them time, but will keep my pitchfork dusted off too Doodledog

Things people have said in the past are often used to condemn them in the present, think of Boris and some of his remarks that are often brought up. I’d be happier if Dodds, Lammy etc actually said they have changed their minds, educated themselves or are now clear about what a woman is.

I do wonder why Rosie Duffield has stayed with a party which holds her in such disdain?

If RD couldn't garner any support from inside the party after all this time, I don't really see how a letter or even a petition from the general public, complaining to their MP would hold much sway now?

But maybe my perspective will prove to be wrong?

I'd be the first to cheer if it was.

I fully understand why RD has stayed.

What’s the alternative? To go somewhere where nobody knows what you stood for? That’s a long, hard climb.

For the sake of argument, imagine that GN is your board of choice? Maybe you don’t know any others. Maybe you just like it here, and feel at home. But ‘Some People’ disagree with you, and try to make you feel uncomfortable. They know that not everyone picks up on every nuance and they do the passive aggressive thing of pretending that you are just too sensitive.

You get lots of behind the scenes support (which is welcome), but most is saying that your supporters don’t want to come forward and speak up for you, as that would mean putting their own heads on the line. Understandable but frustrating.

Yes, you could go elsewhere, but an alternative is to stay and hope for the support of those who agree with you.

I know what I would do.

I agree with you 100% Doddledog. You put into writing eloquently, what I am thinking.

I agree with you Doodledog. Rosie’s natural political home is with Labour, why would she want to align elsewhere? She must be hurt that there has been no public support for her, but she’s steadfast enough to ride it out.

We have a new Labour MP.
She is a woman, I will be interested to hear her views on this.

We had and still have a Labour MP. She was one of the ones who called at the house before the election, couldn’t answer my questions re potholes, housing, education and sex and said she didn’t know I’d tried to contact her by email or X.

Doodledog lost my post twice 🙄 I've run out of time and steam, but will answer you soon.👍

It's so frustrating when posts go walkabout.

Rosie51

I agree with you Doodledog. Rosie’s natural political home is with Labour, why would she want to align elsewhere? She must be hurt that there has been no public support for her, but she’s steadfast enough to ride it out.

There have been many lively discussions right out there in the open in our Labour Party branch and constituency. Rosie Duffield isn't unsupported. The reality is actually a range of opinions not either/or's, before reaching the current situation.
Biological women's safe spaces have a right and need to exist.
No self identity but access to GRC's. Issues of women in sport are and have always been decided by the appropriate sports bodies not a political party.

I agree with those who said earlier that trans debates should not be politicised.
I also wonder whether the country still needs a minister for women as well as one for lequalities.

winterwhite

I agree with those who said earlier that trans debates should not be politicised.
I also wonder whether the country still needs a minister for women as well as one for lequalities.

Maybe we need a minister for women (AHF) because often when equality is mentioned, it means females stepping aside.

Our new MP thinks 'David Tennant is a great man.'

eazybee

Our new MP thinks 'David Tennant is a great man.'

A great man? What has he done to earn that plaudit?

I think he's a good actor, but his political opinions are no more relevant than mine, and I've no idea what makes him 'great' .

If sports bodies began implementing a racist policy for example I would expect the government of the day to make some sort of intervention. Women in sport have been utterly let down by all political parties. Pretending that men can be women has led to this situation, and most political parties hold some level of responsibility for this.

The trouble is that sports at top level are international, so I suppose they have to make laws at an Association level, if that's the right word.

We could say that only biological women can compete in female sport in the UK, but unless other countries did the same it would just cause problems. We could ensure that nobody representing the UK as a woman is really a man, but we don't have control over who is put forward by other countries.

But as a society we could stop colluding in this utterly insane pretence.
So all reporting would state there is a man taking part in the womans hockey event for example.

Wyllow3

Rosie51

I agree with you Doodledog. Rosie’s natural political home is with Labour, why would she want to align elsewhere? She must be hurt that there has been no public support for her, but she’s steadfast enough to ride it out.

There have been many lively discussions right out there in the open in our Labour Party branch and constituency. Rosie Duffield isn't unsupported. The reality is actually a range of opinions not either/or's, before reaching the current situation.
Biological women's safe spaces have a right and need to exist.
No self identity but access to GRC's. Issues of women in sport are and have always been decided by the appropriate sports bodies not a political party.

She’s been totally unsupported by Starmer. When he kicked off his election campaign in Kent he failed to invite Rosie to the event, the only elected Labour MP in Kent! When he finally admitted the biological reality of women he said Tony Blair was right. It couldn’t be more obvious that he has resolutely refused to support Rosie.

Galaxy

But as a society we could stop colluding in this utterly insane pretence.
So all reporting would state there is a man taking part in the womans hockey event for example.

I'd be delighted to see that.