Did anyone else spot this about Reform?

MayBee70 You need to remember that the other parties have been going for several decades or in some cases centuries! They have an established system and lots of people to run the administration. Reform has been going for only five years and has very few people to do the admin. I heard Farage saying on one of the pre-election interviews that they employed a company to check out the candidates and they failed to do so. Maybe that was politically motivated, who knows. As far as I know the party throws the bad apples out as soon as they can, but it must be hard to keep track of everything everyone has ever said. Don't forget the other parties make huge bloopers too.

As I said, I don't vote Reform but I believe in giving them a chance to get their act together. There are so many left wing parties it must be like swimming upstream. I also want them to apply pressure on the government regarding immigration levels,

The government do not need pressure putting on them. They are well aware of the problems they face as are those of us that support them. It’s just that they are tacking the problem without ( as I’ve said before) dehumanising people and blaming immigrants/migrants/refugees etc for every problem faced by this country. You only have to look at Farages referendum poster to see that he uses refugees as a means of garnering votes from those people that are racist.

I beg to differ, MayBee. They do need pressure to be applied. Going for the smugglers will never be a complete answer. The Conservatives were doing that with some success, but it will never be an answer in itself. The Conservatives also engaged with France about the problem and paid them Lord knows how much, only for the gendarmes to look the other way when boats were launched. Playing the Human Rights card, let’s be kind to illegal immigrants, is Labour’s way forward. If we think things are bad now, you won’t have to wait long to see them get a whole lot worse.

Well, if I think they need pressure put on them I’ll do so as a party member. I won’t rely on a regurgitated BNP/UKIP/Reform undemocratic limited company to do it for me.

MayBee70

The government do not need pressure putting on them. They are well aware of the problems they face as are those of us that support them. It’s just that they are tacking the problem without ( as I’ve said before) dehumanising people and blaming immigrants/migrants/refugees etc for every problem faced by this country. You only have to look at Farages referendum poster to see that he uses refugees as a means of garnering votes from those people that are racist.

As far as I know the population has increased by 5 million since the Tories came in, so it's quite reasonable to assume this is putting huge pressure on housing, hospitals, schools, roads, in fact everything. We are a very small country and that is a huge number in 14 years.

Of course it's not right to blame the immigrants themselves, it's the government who are to blame for not controlling our borders. Nevertheless we still have another 5 million to provide for and how far can our taxes stretch? How can we ever build enough homes for all the people you want to help when we haven't got enough at the moment?

But, according to Farage, Brexit was supposed to be the solution to controlling our borders. What happened to that? Surely he wasn’t lying??

Shock horror, I think it entirely likely that Farage and his leave campaigners lied - again and again.

The leave campaign was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference.

They celebrated in the Kremlin when Farage and his fellow "useful idiots" did their bidding.

MayBee70

But, according to Farage, Brexit was supposed to be the solution to controlling our borders. What happened to that? Surely he wasn’t lying??

Farage got Brexit across the line but was not responsible for anything that happened afterwards. That was all down to the Tories mismanagement, along with everything else as well. It wasn't Brexit that lost control of our borders it was the Tories.

The things that happened post referendum were things that the remain campaign warned about though. And were dismissed as scaremongering.

Well I guess there is always scaremongering, and whether or not it is founded depends on the government of the day and how they handle things. We now have 'scaremongering' about the number of migrants entering the country with Labour in control. It's a genuine fear of where this could lead, just like Brexit was a genuine fear with the remain campaigners.

Some people feared what Brexit would bring and now some people fear what uncontrolled immigration will bring.

But Brexit was about immigration wasn’t it. And what has it achieved. Not only that but we are no longer in the Dublin agreement so can no longer return people to France ( another thing we warned about).

maybee70 I agree with all your posts. Your argument is sound.

Chestnut

Well I guess there is always scaremongering, and whether or not it is founded depends on the government of the day and how they handle things. We now have 'scaremongering' about the number of migrants entering the country with Labour in control. It's a genuine fear of where this could lead, just like Brexit was a genuine fear with the remain campaigners.

Some people feared what Brexit would bring and now some people fear what uncontrolled immigration will bring.

I don’t follow the logic here. Whether scaremongering is founded depends on whether experience proves that there was fact/truth/logic in the issue the scaremongering is about, surely?

The thing that one is scared of might happen or might not happen depending on the way the government of the day handles it. It is not a fact until it happens.

Exactly so. At present it isn’t looking good.

Dictionary definition of Scaremongering:
- spreading frightening or ominous reports or rumours.
"scaremongering tactics designed to frighten voters"

That is what is happening - frightening or ominous reports and rumours. Whether it proves to be founded or not is a different matter, and only experience will confirm.

If the argument that asylum seekers put undue pressure on housing, NHS, schools etc is accurate why does no one on the right mention the Tory decision to recruit 600,000 overseas students at a time when they could bring families? The target was easily reached and many students overstay their visas and eventually obtain permission to stay. tbh I don't have a problem with this but the reason the tories were keen on this was because it effectively brought money into the country and funded HE. However, these students still need somewhere to live, education for their children and all the other things that people need to live but never ever a word. I wish people would be honest about their reasons for supporting Reform and people like Bravermann. It's got little to do with us being a small island that can't cope with more people, overseas students outnumber asylum seekers by a long way. I can't help but think it's actually all about racism.

I'm aware this probably should have gone on this thread but I'm feeling a bit cross at how so many threads start off as one thing and morph into a thread about asylum seekers!

Yvette Cooper / Migrant Watch / Stopping The Boats

Because that is the only issue facing this country. Crowded prisons, NHS crisis, housing, sewage, lack of funding for education ( including crumbling schools) everything is due to people crossing the channel on boats. And the Conservatives weren’t able to resolve the problem because of the previous Labour government and the Labour Party when it was in opposition. And now it’s the fault of the current Labour government because they’ve been in power for a whole week and still haven’t sorted it out….

Maybee70 Thank you for your post. When will some people realise that migration is the result of many factors? We are all humans with the same needs, some of us are born lucky and some of are not and we have little control over that and as a relatively wealthy country we should accept our fair share of refugees/asylum seekers and treat them humanely. It is a measure of our civilisation.

MayBee70 👏👏👏

varian

Shock horror, I think it entirely likely that Farage and his leave campaigners lied - again and again.

The leave campaign was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference.

They celebrated in the Kremlin when Farage and his fellow "useful idiots" did their bidding.

We obviously read different sources.

Namsnanny

varian

Shock horror, I think it entirely likely that Farage and his leave campaigners lied - again and again.

The leave campaign was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference.

They celebrated in the Kremlin when Farage and his fellow "useful idiots" did their bidding.

We obviously read different sources.

I’ve kept most of the leaflets given out by the leave campaign so I’ve got written proof of their lies.

Is it true that Farage is planning to fly to America to support his friend Trump? What about Clacton?? Shouldn’t he be there to support his new constituents?

MayBee70

Is it true that Farage is planning to fly to America to support his friend Trump? What about Clacton?? Shouldn’t he be there to support his new constituents?

Are you following every move of all 650 MPs or just stalking him? Maybe you can tell us where all the the others are.