Yvette Cooper / Migrant Watch / Stopping The Boats

Whitewavemark2

Blenheim Palace

The Prime Minister will begin the process of tackling the European wide migrant issue with leaders from Europe.

A European wide level of cooperation makes a deal of sense as well as using the various law enforcement agencies to rid ourselves of the gang who prey on these unfortunate migrants.

It will be good to see an ending to the hyperbole surrounding the issue, which does nothing to assist.

The previous Government smashed numerous people smuggling gangs with the co-operation of our European friends

Unfortunately the minute, if not second one gang is taken out of the equation there are two ready to step-up.

The head honchos are in all probability living a life of luxury in plain site.

Talking is always good, but I will remain neutral until such time the plan is working and results are seen.

growstuff

Chestnut

growstuff

Chestnut

Proposing something and doing it are two different things, and even so it will take time. Meanwhile, people are still banging on about how we 'need' more people. I'd say 67 million is quite enough people, how can we need more?

Firstly, the country needs HE students' money. Secondly, we have an ageing population who rely on others for personal care. Even if they were paid more, I'm not sure I'd want to be cared for by people who were otherwise unemployable and only doing the job for the money. Thirdly, we need people with higher level skills which aren't available in the UK.

How can anybody say how many people are "enough"? It's not as though the country is actually sinking with the weight of all the humans on it.

I'm afraid the country is actually sinking with the weight of 68 million people. Haven't you noticed the shortage of housing, hospitals, schools, prisons, even clean water. The sewage of 68 million people is being dumped in our rivers and seas. London alone has 8.9 million people while New Zealand has 5.2 million people in the whole country.

UK density 725 people per square mile
New Zealand density 51 people per square mile

This country is definitely overcrowded, and that is where many of our problems lie.

Let's send everybody to Rwanda - population density 584 per sq km - that's double the density of the UK. How about Singapore with a population density of 8276 per sq km?

Funnily enough, some other countries seem to manage much higher population density than the UK.

I'm not sure what point you're making except that it would be wrong to send people to an overcrowded country, something we all know.

Other overpopulated countries seem to 'manage' do they? Aren't poor people living in rabbit hutches in overcrowded cities? Is that what you deem suitable for our future? I think most people would like to prevent that happening here, although to be honest it happens already.

Chestnut

growstuff

Chestnut

Mt61

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

It makes me weep to think of what my children will have to face in their old age, and what my lovely grandchildren will have to endure in 30 or 40 years time. You can see where this country is heading just by watching the news reports.

Where's it heading? I bet you didn't know where the country was heading 40 years ago.

I definitely knew which way it was heading 30 years ago and was spot on. Now every time I look at the news someone has been stabbed, body parts in suitcases etc.

What on earth has the Bristol incident got to do with migration?

Another poor soul drowned in the channel overnight, with 60+ rescued

Oh dear GrannyGravy, that’s very sad.

Do you have a link to this - I’ve searched but can’t find anything about it this morning?

LizzieDrip

^Another poor soul drowned in the channel overnight, with 60+ rescued^

Oh dear GrannyGravy, that’s very sad.

Do you have a link to this - I’ve searched but can’t find anything about it this morning?

It was reportrd on ITV Breakfast news.

Thanks!

I don't understand why people are willing to risk their lives and pay smugglers when Europe is safe?

Coronation

I don't understand why people are willing to risk their lives and pay smugglers when Europe is safe?

Because they are told our streets are paved with gold! 😉

In a way, I guess they are because, they are given everything they need when they arrive and you can bet your bottom dollar they will be given houses from those that Labour say they will build.

I asked the question on here yesterday “what other country in the world could you turn up in and expect to be given a house”. Obviously I got no reply from the people who want as many in as possible. 🤣🤣

I sent a very enjoyable graduation meal with a number of young graduates including my DGS his week, and sat listening to their conversation. So included in the usual young persons talk were more serious issues. A number of the graduates were as they described themselves with wry grins “minorities” and I was ashamed and horrified at some of the experiences that these young people had gone through. One - a micro-biology graduate had been born in Nepal high up in the Himalayas, had been brought up in Kathmandu and then been brought to the U.K. by her parents as her father was following in his fathers footsteps and serving the British Crown in the Gurkhas. She has been working in retail whilst reading micro- biology and I listened with horror as some of the experiences she had encountered at the hands of customers.

Another a Japanese student, who had read electrical engineering, and had hoped to settle n the U.K. because she was an Anglophile had decided that her rotten experiences made her decide to return to Japan with her skills which we could so badly do with in the U.K.

There was a lot of laughter at what they had experienced, but I felt utterly ashamed and horrified in equal measure at frankly the pig-ignorance of some British.

Primrose53

Coronation

I don't understand why people are willing to risk their lives and pay smugglers when Europe is safe?

Because they are told our streets are paved with gold! 😉

In a way, I guess they are because, they are given everything they need when they arrive and you can bet your bottom dollar they will be given houses from those that Labour say they will build.

I asked the question on here yesterday “what other country in the world could you turn up in and expect to be given a house”. Obviously I got no reply from the people who want as many in as possible. 🤣🤣

I give this quote first prize for ignorance and xenophobia.

Lorilee

I read an Egyptian and Algerian asylum seekers stole a mans expensive watch admitted to robbery but spared going to prison and got community service, why aren't they being deported.

Quite. First time anybody steps out of line deport them.

I give this quote first prize for ignorance and xenophobia

Hear, hear WW.

Speaking to my teenage GC about the immigration issue makes me proud of young people (obviously a small sample) - their views are far more tolerant, thoughtful and well-researched than many posters on GN. At least there might be hope for the future!

WWM2 that is a truly unpleasant remark you have made to Primrose.

BevSec

WWM2 that is a truly unpleasant remark you have made to Primrose.

Saying it as it is - maybe WW has become a Farage-follower.

Primrose53

Coronation

I don't understand why people are willing to risk their lives and pay smugglers when Europe is safe?

Because they are told our streets are paved with gold! 😉

In a way, I guess they are because, they are given everything they need when they arrive and you can bet your bottom dollar they will be given houses from those that Labour say they will build.

I asked the question on here yesterday “what other country in the world could you turn up in and expect to be given a house”. Obviously I got no reply from the people who want as many in as possible. 🤣🤣

Of course you didn't get an answer - it's not true!

Wyllow3

Iam64

Well said growstuff

What do the anti refugee/asylum seeker posters suggest is to be done. Rwanda -illegal even if we are prepared to disregard human need

Wars and climate change means the need to try and get to safety will increase. It’s a global problem. It needs international co-operation.

Rwanda:

Meanwhile in Rwanda, 22.000 prisoners from the appalling genocide in the 1990's are being released this year.

www.justiceinfo.net/en/130199-rwanda-2200-genocidaires-released-2024-who-are-they.html#:~:text=And%2C%20according%20to%20the%20SCR,the%20Tutsi%20genocide%20in%201994.

There are also tensions with the Congo

"Rwanda-backed rebels are choking the Congolese people, yet this is one conflict the world can easily end"

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/11/rwanda-militias-drc-goma

Safe as houses for us to operate there still?.

There has always been tension with the Congo, nothing new, been going on and off for many years.

Germanshepherdsmum

Nobody can possibly know what skills those coming here on boats have. We don’t need them. They are unlikely ever to be anything but a drain on our resources and a source of trouble.

But we do know what skills the vast majority of immigrants have! The ones who come on boats are a minority of immigrants.

Freya5

Wyllow3

Iam64

Well said growstuff

What do the anti refugee/asylum seeker posters suggest is to be done. Rwanda -illegal even if we are prepared to disregard human need

Wars and climate change means the need to try and get to safety will increase. It’s a global problem. It needs international co-operation.

Rwanda:

Meanwhile in Rwanda, 22.000 prisoners from the appalling genocide in the 1990's are being released this year.

www.justiceinfo.net/en/130199-rwanda-2200-genocidaires-released-2024-who-are-they.html#:~:text=And%2C%20according%20to%20the%20SCR,the%20Tutsi%20genocide%20in%201994.

There are also tensions with the Congo

"Rwanda-backed rebels are choking the Congolese people, yet this is one conflict the world can easily end"

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/11/rwanda-militias-drc-goma

Safe as houses for us to operate there still?.

There has always been tension with the Congo, nothing new, been going on and off for many years.

So?

BevSec

WWM2 that is a truly unpleasant remark you have made to Primrose.

Yes I know and I fully expect to be deleted, but free listening to conversation yesterday between. Immigrants my blood is still boiling

Those who insist that asylum seekers won’t be provided with housing - where and how are they going to live? Many are unlikely to find legal employment, not speaking English, probably possessing no useful skills and unable to pass a DBS check. Others may find minimum wage employment. Are they going to be left homeless and without access to benefits? I very much doubt it.

Whitewavemark2

Chestnut

growstuff

Chestnut

Mt61

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

It makes me weep to think of what my children will have to face in their old age, and what my lovely grandchildren will have to endure in 30 or 40 years time. You can see where this country is heading just by watching the news reports.

Where's it heading? I bet you didn't know where the country was heading 40 years ago.

I definitely knew which way it was heading 30 years ago and was spot on. Now every time I look at the news someone has been stabbed, body parts in suitcases etc.

What on earth has the Bristol incident got to do with migration?

It doesn't. However, as Chestnut has powers of clairvoyancy, maybe she should have suggested banning suitcases. Apparently there's somebody been stabbed and stuffed in a suitcase "every time" she looks at the news. Wow! That's an awful lot of suitcases not being used for their intended purpose.

Unlimited illegal immigration makes my blood boil but I would not make unpleasant comments to posters on this forum who feel differently to me.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit growstuff. You know what Chestnut meant - daily reports of violent crime are deeply troubling.

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

Chestnut

growstuff

Chestnut

Mt61

All I can say is, I am glad I am on my way out & not on my in, dread to think what this country is going to be like in 10/20 years time. Think of the legacy you are leaving for your grandchildren

It makes me weep to think of what my children will have to face in their old age, and what my lovely grandchildren will have to endure in 30 or 40 years time. You can see where this country is heading just by watching the news reports.

Where's it heading? I bet you didn't know where the country was heading 40 years ago.

I definitely knew which way it was heading 30 years ago and was spot on. Now every time I look at the news someone has been stabbed, body parts in suitcases etc.

What on earth has the Bristol incident got to do with migration?

It doesn't. However, as Chestnut has powers of clairvoyancy, maybe she should have suggested banning suitcases. Apparently there's somebody been stabbed and stuffed in a suitcase "every time" she looks at the news. Wow! That's an awful lot of suitcases not being used for their intended purpose.

How people love to twist words. Not what I said. Every time I look at the news someone has been stabbed. TRUE.

Body parts in suitcases relates to one incident but shocking all the same. What has it to do with immigration? Well the guy responsible is a Columbian national who could not speak English. We have yet to discover why he killed those two men. he has no links to the UK so what was he doing here and how did he get in?

No need to be sarcastic or flippant about what are serious subjects involving the murder of innocent Brits. This is no joke.

Chestnut murder is never a joke, but migrants legal or illegal is vastly becoming a sport on GN