Junior doctors pay offer

maddyone

MayBee70

Strange how the attitude towards health workers has gone from clapping them in the street to begrudging them a pay rise that still isn’t really enough to compensate from years of being underpaid by the Tories.

Agree with this Maybee.
How anyone can begrudge this I don’t understand.
It’s not a pay increase, it’s pay restoration.
Except even this doesn’t actually restore their pay, but goes some way towards it.

Absolutely, to you both! Its part of saving the NHS!

I m with you on settling the doctors pay dispute. I feel the same about increases for other public services. The government were left with no choice but to make difficult decisions. And it’s the precious government that lied.

Precious government, Iam64?

Did you mean 'previous'.

Yes indeed - it’s a typo. Apologies. C and V next to each other on the keyboard. 😵‍💫

Hopefully that’s the end to their strikes so they can start preparing for all the pensioners they will see next winter suffering from pneumonia and hypothermia after losing their Winter Fuel Allowance.

Unfortunately I think you’re right Primrose, because some pensioners will be afraid to put on their heating and this will certainly lead to a rise in pensioner deaths and pensioner illnesses. However that is not the fault of the doctors, but of the government who are removing the WFA from all pensioners not on pension credit, some of whom will be unable to afford heating costs.

I like to know about these things, so I looked it up. Surprisingly few people have hypothermia identified as a contributory factor in their death. In only one year were there more than 50 cases.
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Ilovecheese

Weren't they called "housemen" and then "registrar" before becoming consultants.

The hospital doctor I saw the other week introduced himself as a registrar.
I knew what that meant and think 'junior doctor' is a misnomer for all except those just out of medical school.

And those just out of medical school are actually called Foundation Doctors. Then they are called Registrar as they begin training for a specialty, and finally they become a Senior Registrar, and yet they are all junior doctors, because all doctors who are not yet a Consultant/GP are junior doctors.
I believe it is very misleading.

I believe it is very misleading

It is and it seems to be a fairly recent change.

Casdon

I like to know about these things, so I looked it up. Surprisingly few people have hypothermia identified as a contributory factor in their death. In only one year were there more than 50 cases.
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Just wait and see what this winter brings. 😉

We will, Primrose53, sure as night follows day.

It’s absolutely pointless looking up how many died from cold when pensioners were receiving the winter fuel allowance, you need to watch how many die now it’s been removed. And in particular, during the last couple of years, pensioners received enhanced winter fuel allowances plus cost of living extra payments.
Does anyone really think Labour are good for pensioners?

maddyone to do a comparison you have to look at trends? I’m not sure how else you’d monitor what’s happening, that’s why the figures are produced.

There is a winter fuel thread.

Just saying.

Well, the Times reports this pay increase was 1% above the offer the Tories offered, if they accept it? Then they will start another round of Strikes in 12 months, for more money. They are kindly giving the new Government 12 grace before they start again.
Am I surprised.. No!

I'm glad if it's been agreed, it will put many people's minds at rest but it does make me wonder what other groups will now demand similar increases.

Visgir1

Well, the Times reports this pay increase was 1% above the offer the Tories offered, if they accept it? Then they will start another round of Strikes in 12 months, for more money. They are kindly giving the new Government 12 grace before they start again.
Am I surprised.. No!

I’m not actually sure it’s the amount of increase Labour has given the doctors that has resolved this but the way in which they conducted the negotiations. And future negotiations will be conducted in the same way. I think the doctors were exasperated by the way the last government were treating them.

Whatever they are called Junior doctors are just that, they work under the supervision of an experienced doctor, their skills are may be very limited, an experienced nurse will often overrule a Junior doctor.

That said they deserve a decent wage for the hours they put in and it was right to settle the pay claim.

MayBee70

Visgir1

Well, the Times reports this pay increase was 1% above the offer the Tories offered, if they accept it? Then they will start another round of Strikes in 12 months, for more money. They are kindly giving the new Government 12 grace before they start again.
Am I surprised.. No!

I’m not actually sure it’s the amount of increase Labour has given the doctors that has resolved this but the way in which they conducted the negotiations. And future negotiations will be conducted in the same way. I think the doctors were exasperated by the way the last government were treating them.

I agree, it wasn't just about the money, and never was. The doctors were also concerned abut the state of the NHS and the dire conditions they were facing day inn day out for patients.

However little is able to be done, they must have felt they were dealing with politicians who were listening and sharing their concerns, not labelling them as the last government did as "anti patient"

I think a qualified doctor in the maxiofacial depth who is not yet a consultant (maybe they have enough) but has been practising for 11 years will not be overruled by an "experienced nurse", David!

I do hope not, anyway! 😱

T in C.--- they should rebrand themselves as train
drivers to earn more salary

Has the state of the NHS improved and the dire conditions magically disappeared following on from the 22 per cent pay rise? I don’t think so….

I imagine that what mattered to the doctors and made the difference were that broad concerns about the NHS in terms of work conditions and patient concerns were taken on board, and doctors not just accused of greed.

NotSpaghetti

I think a qualified doctor in the maxiofacial depth who is not yet a consultant (maybe they have enough) but has been practising for 11 years will not be overruled by an "experienced nurse", David!

I do hope not, anyway! 😱

No but a junior doctor in his first couple of years is watched very carefully?
I’m sure you know perfectly well that a doctor is termed Junior for the 1st 4 yrs then goes to speciality training and becomes a Registrar, so your 11 yrs is very wide of the mark!.