Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]

“ Adams’ use of the passport defence is particularly risible. In 2019, the Court of Arbitration for Sport formally established that human biology, rather than legal status or gender identity, was the only means of determining an insuperable male advantage. And now the IOC dares to accuse those asking questions of “stigmatising”? Barry McGuigan, the former world featherweight champion, puts it best. “Mark Adams,” he says, “wouldn’t know a left hook from a fish hook.”

And I’ll bet this Mark Adams is enjoying a super high salary too! I’ll shut up now.

Callistemon213

Jackiest

I have said in another thread I am against segregating thing into male and female unless it really matters and boxing is something where it really really matters.

Of course it really matters! It might not until the agd of about 10 before puberty, but after that, yes, it makes a difference.

Cycling, running, jumping, swimming?

The only sport where it may not matter is equestrian sports where there relationship between powerful horse and ride is what counts.

Yes any sport where muscle or weight matters should be segregated. Darts is borderline. I don't play darts and maybe height matters. It is championships like chess that I don't think should be segregated.

So if someone like me who is against segregation thinks this is very wrong then they must realise it is wrong as well.

Sorry, I was going to shut up but Himself just said “so, Wife beating is deplorable, yet beating someone else's wife is an olympic sport”.

BlueBelle

If every woman athlete refused to run, jump, fight against a trans they’d have to change the rules but it would have to be a full on refusal from ALL women a suffragette type movement to make it happen

Exactly what I said Bluebelle. The female contestants and the audience should turn their backs on the cuckoo in the nest. Any man who would do this does not deserve sympathy. They are despicable, shameless people.

I'm here for the gold. I'll fight anyone (as long as it's a biological woman)

Legalised assault! I wish women athletes could mount a class action withdrawal, but so hard, the time and effort in training wasted.

I wonder if the gender critical movement as a whole could do something legally, I am thinking about equality law etc, generally the legal challenges have been successful.

This is so scary it makes me feel sick.
I really hope any other women athletes who find themselves in the same position will find the strength to walk out.
It mustn't take a death to put an end to this dangerous charade 😢

ExDancer

I must have been very gently reared, but I need to know ..... do these trans women still have their male genitalia?
This is a serious question

Some do, some don't. ExDancer The surgery required is a long and delicate process, and physical recovery is painful. (A friend used to be a theatre nurse and told me that she admired the courage of these patients, who were so desperate to have the operation that they hardly ever complained about the pain and discomfort it cost them)

Once it was possible to legally define themselves as the opposite sex without surgery, many avoided having the surgery and had hormone treatment instead - or just self-identified without making any changes at all, surgical or hormonal.

However, if they had already gone through puberty with natural male hormones their muscle mass would have developed in the male pattern, So they would still have the muscles, strength and body shape of a man, whatever was on their (altered) passports. If they self-identified without surgery they would still have their male genitals too.

Smileless2012

There was a brief mention on the BBC's lunch time news but it was said that the Algerian boxer had been cleared to compete while making no mention of the fact that he's a trans woman .

Well that's the BBC for you. Utter tripe.

Actually I have looked into it and I dont think they are trans, that would be highly unusual in Algeria and I think illegal. So I think there is something more complex going on. Why do they not do sex testing, it's a cheek swab. It's not invasive.

I think it’s disgraceful. She quit after 45 seconds. She could have been very badly hurt. Despicable.

ExDancer

I must have been very gently reared, but I need to know ..... do these trans women still have their male genitalia?
This is a serious question

If they’ve fully transitioned, then no they don’t have male genitalia. They have surgery to remove their genitalia and a vagina formed . I work with a TW and she is still taking female hormones even though she transitioned many years ago .

It’s shocking isn’t it? I can’t understand why this is allowed and wish female boxers and any other sportswomen would refuse to engage with them.It would soon change things around.

When, oh when, will they check whether the “woman” is XX or XY?

In the “old days” (ask Mary Peters), they used to have very intimate examinations to establish the sex - whatever the gender!

So the reason this is allowed is because at least since 1970 it's been allowed to have one's chosen gender on one's passport instead of one's biological sex and these boxers passports say they are female.

Who'd have thought that this ruling would have enabled men to compete against women in the boxing ring at the Olympic games, or at any other sporting event.

This brings to my mind the camel's nose metaphor where permitting something small and seemingly innocuous opens the door for something much larger and clearly undesirable.

apparently it is illegal in boxing to put a male against a female according to our PCC who is on local facebook with lots of agreement from others

I went to the dark side, sorry

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13687839/Sports-scientists-Olympics-biological-males-womens-boxing-controversy.html

It is also a very easy way for a trans to keep winning. N'est-ce pas?

This person is not a trans woman. This person has XY chromosomes, and from what I understand presents similarly to Caster Semenya, but has very high levels of testosterone and is XY.
There is a similar person boxing another woman tomorrow. Both of these people were barred from boxing in a women's competition by the IBO, and that organisation has given a statement explaining why both athletes were banned from that competition. The IBO have no say with the IOC.

In this case not trans. I am pretty sure.

Sometimes the dark side is good Jane .

Easy way for a trans to keep cheating Boz.

Indeed it is a very sad state for women in sport and I do hope the French Olympic Committee will rethink the issue.

I have been looking at other countries press for statements. The following two I think were strange.

Numerama says, Only one statement from Russia
A more serious track can be explored: Imane Khelif could be affected by polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), a hormonal disease that affects women of childbearing age. Women affected by this syndrome are affected by hyperandrogenesis, which results in excessive testosterone production.

And there is the outcry from Algeria.
The Algerian Olympic and Sports Committee has "firmly condemned the false propaganda and immoral behaviour towards our champion, Imane Khelif, of some foreign media. Such attacks on her person are totally unethical, especially since she is preparing for the most important event of her sporting career, namely the Olympic Games".

ExDancer

I must have been very gently reared, but I need to know ..... do these trans women still have their male genitalia?
This is a serious question

Almost all of these men who identify as women do retain their own genitalia - they just say they're “trans” to get all the benefits that brings without doing anything as scary as chopping their bits off! Around 80% of them don't even take hormones. If you look you can find many pictures of such men with beards - including the ones at the Olympic torch ceremony and the opening ceremony.

Even if external genitalia is removed & hormones are taken, these men still have the lung and heart capacity and musculature of males and the physical advantages that come along with that.

We can all help my making our views known and standing up for women and girls. Refusing to use the term ‘woman’ to refer to these misogynistic men is a good start! These men pose very real dangers to women and girls and to the safeguarding of children.

If I understand the situation, and as others have said, these boxers aren’t transgender women or people self-identifying as women. Rather women who were identified as female at birth who have now failed gender tests because they have been found to have y chromosomes/high testosterone levels. As happened with the runner Caster Semenya, who has an intersex condition.

I agree that they can’t in all fairness compete against other women on a level playing field, but I do have a lot of sympathy for them. It must be devastating to get this diagnosis, and not to be able to compete in the sport you love. And of course they get a lot of grief and abuse online.

But I still think the decision of the Olympic Committee to allow the boxers to take part is very wrong.

In this case not trans. I am pretty sure

Galaxy your research appears to be falling on deaf ears🤷‍♀️