Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]

I must have been very gently reared, but I need to know ..... do these trans women still have their male genitalia?
This is a serious question

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Male Violence Against Women Should Not Be A Bloody Olympic Sport

ExDancer

I must have been very gently reared, but I need to know ..... do these trans women still have their male genitalia?
This is a serious question

If they have gone through male puberty they are still male.

- so they DO?

Galaxy

Lisa nandy has enabled this. She was one of the key players supporting men in womens prisons.

This has nothing to do with the IOC over which Nandy has no control.

I was always led to believe boxers had to fight in the same weight category, maybe they should change it to muscle mass? This is a disgrace by anyone's rules.

This requires all female sportswomen of every sport to turn their backs on these 'transwomen' and refuse to compete. The audience should do the same. This is every bit as huge and important as the suffragette movement and people need to realise that. It may mean losing their chance to compete but it's much more important than one event.

Callistemon213

ExDancer

I must have been very gently reared, but I need to know ..... do these trans women still have their male genitalia?
This is a serious question

If they have gone through male puberty they are still male.

In their DNA from conception but male puberty, producing testosterone resulting in bigger, stronger bodies and muscles than girls.

There was also a female volleyball player left partially paralysed by a male opponent, not at the Olympics but she has commented on the boxing fiasco.
Volleyball player left partially paralysed with brain damage

“In one of the most shaming episodes in Olympic history, Italy’s Angela Carini was forced after only 46 seconds to abandon a fight out of fear for her life against an Algerian boxer who had failed two gender tests, claiming she had been hit so hard by Imane Khelif that she “couldn’t breathe any more”.

A bout that had already detonated ferocious controversy, with the International Olympic Committee under intense pressure to justify how a woman could be allowed to enter a boxing ring uncertain of the sex of the person she was facing, tipped into outrage as Carini claimed that she had never received such powerful punches.

A first punch from Khelif, who was thrown out of last year’s World Championships after failing biochemical tests for testosterone, dislodged Carini’s chinstrap before a second smashed against her chin and spattered blood over her shorts. There were suggestions her nose had been broken.”

Source: The Telegraph.

Blimey, I’ve just seen the size and ‘reach’ of that trans person.
This is just grotesque.

Urmstongran

Yet Lisa Nandy says ‘it’s up to independent sports bodies to decide on acceptability’. Tosh. Wriggling out of the awkward debate. It ought to be a blanket ban.

Nandy is simply outlining the situation as it is. It's not a party political issue - sports decisions are made by that sports ruling body. The conservatives did indeed intervene on trans indues when they could, and quite properly imo like with Cass and other measures, but they couldn't touch the international sports bodies.

Cont…

“ Falling to the canvas in desolation, she said in a highly emotional post-fight interview: “I am heartbroken. I went into the ring to honour my father. I was told a lot of times that I was a warrior but I preferred to stop for my health. I have never felt a punch like this.

“I got into the ring and did my duty as a boxer and tried to fight irrespective of any controversy or anything else. I wanted to win. After the second blow to the nose, I couldn’t breathe anymore. I went to my coach and said ‘enough’ because it takes maturity and courage to stop. I didn’t feel like fighting anymore.”

Khelif stopped only very briefly in the interview area, declaring alongside the Italian delegation: “I am here for gold. I’ll fight anyone.”

(YEH, I’LL BET HE WOULD) my comment.

“The defiance formed the most vivid contrast with Carini’s devastation. “I wasn’t able to finish the match,” she said. “I felt a strong pain in my nose and I said to myself that for the experience I have and the maturity as a woman that I have, that I would stop. I hope my nation won’t take it badly, I hope my dad won’t take it badly. It could have been the match of a lifetime, but I had to preserve my life as well in that moment.”

This is wrong on every level

The IOC should apologise now, and admit it for this totally wrong 🤬🤬🤬

If that can happen during a volleyball match Chestnut how much worse could it be with boxing.

Genetic XY males may have been identified as female at birth, but their external male organs did not develop, or they may have developed internally. These individuals used to be called “intersex”, know known as DSD ( difference in sex development), there are several different conditions in this category. These are genetic conditions. I’ve no idea whether these boxers come into this category, it was the case with the South African runner a few years back. Although one feels sorry for anyone born with ambiguous sex, it should be the case that any individual with XY chromosomes, so genetically male, cannot compete in XX female sports.

Nandy could speak out against it Wyllow but is choosing not too .

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has commented on the fight, in which she said with “the levels of testosterone present in the Algerian athlete, the contest was not a contest, it was not equal...”

Honestly, stating the bleeding obvious comes to mind. I hate how we pander to this nonsense.

The new guise of The Emperor’s New Clothes indeed.

I wished the audience had booed Khelif. Time people started voicing their disgust.

FGS he's a man so why not just say so.

I totally agree with this excerpt from an article in The Telegraph:

“The International Olympic Committee is aware of all this. The dispute over Khelif’s biology is recorded in its official Games notes. And yet in a sport where the danger of death is ever-present, and despite studies documenting that men punch 2.6 times harder than women, its response is simply to sit back and do nothing.

It is difficult to imagine a more wretched dereliction of duty. Forget merely discriminating against female athletes, the IOC is now actively exposing them to the potential for extreme harm.

In Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan, these Olympics have two boxers thrown out of last year’s world championships due to concerns over their testosterone levels. So what are they doing in Paris? Mark Adams, the IOC’s spokesman, sounded irritated that anyone had the temerity to ask. “These boxers are entirely eligible – they are women on their passports,” he bristled. “It’s not helpful to start stigmatising people like this. We all have a responsibility not to turn it into some kind of witch-hunt.”

The far greater responsibility, you would think, is for the most powerful governing body in world sport to protect women’s safety. But never mind holding themselves accountable, the IOC would rather shame anyone critical of the boxers’ involvement for not being kind enough.”

Lisa Nandy has no jurisdiction over the IOC but, I agree, she should speak out strongly against this outrageous situation. I have never, will never, watch boxing but women should be fighting women, men should be fighting men. This outrage does the trans community no favours but this person clearly cares nothing about that. He should be disqualified immediately and the IOC should apologise to the female boxer injured by him. Absolutely disgusting.

There were some very brave women in the labour party who spoke out, lisa nandy was not one of them. All those who pretended men can be women, who said that men should be in womens spaces are complicit in this.

If every woman athlete refused to run, jump, fight against a trans they’d have to change the rules but it would have to be a full on refusal from ALL women a suffragette type movement to make it happen

Urmstongran

I totally agree with this excerpt from an article in The Telegraph:

“The International Olympic Committee is aware of all this. The dispute over Khelif’s biology is recorded in its official Games notes. And yet in a sport where the danger of death is ever-present, and despite studies documenting that men punch 2.6 times harder than women, its response is simply to sit back and do nothing.

It is difficult to imagine a more wretched dereliction of duty. Forget merely discriminating against female athletes, the IOC is now actively exposing them to the potential for extreme harm.

In Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan, these Olympics have two boxers thrown out of last year’s world championships due to concerns over their testosterone levels. So what are they doing in Paris? Mark Adams, the IOC’s spokesman, sounded irritated that anyone had the temerity to ask. “These boxers are entirely eligible – they are women on their passports,” he bristled. “It’s not helpful to start stigmatising people like this. We all have a responsibility not to turn it into some kind of witch-hunt.”

The far greater responsibility, you would think, is for the most powerful governing body in world sport to protect women’s safety. But never mind holding themselves accountable, the IOC would rather shame anyone critical of the boxers’ involvement for not being kind enough.”

Thankyou for this Urmstongran even if it makes me even more angry with the IOC!

Galaxy

There were some very brave women in the labour party who spoke out, lisa nandy was not one of them. All those who pretended men can be women, who said that men should be in womens spaces are complicit in this.

I agree and it looks like governments can't rely on independent organisations/governing bodies to be sensible