Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]

It is cheating, it is assault, and it is disgusting. I for one will not boycott watching the Olympics though, these people have worked hard for years for this.

It's a recipe for disaster.

It's vitally important that the opponents are evenly matched, and a woman will be no match for a man in the boxing ring.

maddyone

Has this person definitely fathered a child/children? The only reference to this that I’ve seen is on here, on GN.
I’m increasingly puzzled. I saw a picture of this person as a child, and it definitely looks like a girl in the picture. But the chromosomes are XY and it looks like a man now. I’m puzzled.

In between those photos (I've not seen them both so can't comment on whether the child looked like a girl or a boy) you have to insert adolescence. If this child had functioning male hormone glands, their puberty would have been fuelled by the development of male characteristics. Perhaps they had been brought up as a girl and it was only at puberty that the hormones kicked in, and that is why they self-define as female now.

There are transmen who bore children as women before transitioning - and self-identifying without early medical assistance does mean that trans people may have lived part of their lives fully as the other sex.

midgey

This poor athlete that you are all saying is a trans man is NOT! The athlete has the same ‘condition’ as Caster Seymenier (not sure of the spelling). They are neither man nor woman, I cannot imagine such a sad thing. Having said that I don’t think the bout should have taken place at all.

Sorry midgey but that's not correct. There are only two sexes male and female and every human that has ever lived falls into one or other of the categories. A tiny percentage of people are born with a DSD ( disorder or difference of sexual development) This can vary from ambiguous genitalia to the absence of testes or ovaries, to other invisible conditions identified only by genetic testing. All DSDs are sex specific, suffered by only one sex. Only males suffer the condition Caster Semenya has and that it's thought the Algerian boxer has (5-ARD) while Turner syndrome only affects females, never males.
Nowadays any baby born with ambiguous genitalia can be DNA tested to ascertain their correct sex, although this still isn't always possible in some areas of the world. Some individuals have discovered later in life they are not the sex they always thought they were and that must be devastating but it is no excuse for perpetuating the lie and using the advantage of having gone through a male puberty to cheat female athletes.

Yes, years ago people were just classed as women in these cases, as it was "easier".

I’m very surprised that Mike has come out.

The IOC spokesperson said it was not a trans issue.

internal testes capable of fathering babies, male puberty and not female puberty, XY chromosomes. He is male, no doubt whatsoever. Playing the system and I hope it comes back to haunt him

Grantanow

The IOC spokesperson said it was not a trans issue.

The interview I saw he said that they were put in the category according to their passports.

Both boxers have female on theirs.

There were no swob tests carried out before the games, which would have clarified their chromosomes.

Boxing is a strange activity- paying people to beat people up . Why is violence ( male or female)- accepted ? just because it is condoned as a sport, does it mean it is correct. Look at the brain injuries Mohamed Ali for one

ordinarygirl

Boxing is a strange activity- paying people to beat people up . Why is violence ( male or female)- accepted ? just because it is condoned as a sport, does it mean it is correct. Look at the brain injuries Mohamed Ali for one

It is.

The title of this thread needs to be changed! The boxer is NOT a trans person.He is a man!

Ladyripple

The title of this thread needs to be changed! The boxer is NOT a trans person.He is a man!

Apparently she was born female. I don’t understand it tbh,

karmalady

internal testes capable of fathering babies, male puberty and not female puberty, XY chromosomes. He is male, no doubt whatsoever. Playing the system and I hope it comes back to haunt him

I think in earlier posts you may be referencing Caster Semenya, not this boxer who does not have children. Caster Semenya's wife has given birth to two children, I don't believe it has ever been officially stated that Caster is the biological father.

tickingbird

Ladyripple

The title of this thread needs to be changed! The boxer is NOT a trans person.He is a man!

Apparently she was born female. I don’t understand it tbh,

This person is believed to have the DSD 5ARD, which only affects males. With this condition the genitalia are often very ambiguous and as MissAdventure said up thread, in the past all babies born like this were classified female as it was "easier" It often becomes obvious at puberty with the absence of periods and the changing body shape more aligned with a male that the classification was wrong. DNA doesn't lie and doesn't change, and a simple test reveals the true sex.

This is a direct quote from Sharon Davies, a true advocate for women

How anyone looks should not be the issue. A simple sex screening test. Took me 2 mins in 1976. Cotton bud wiped on the inside of your cheek. Female athletes voted 82% in favour of keeping it in 1996. The IOC still stopped it so why ask?

The big question is why not do this for every athlete? It only needs to be done once, is not of an intimate or embarrassing nature, and the recorded result is on record for all future events. Why do some "high ups" not want this simple, accurate test carried out? What do they fear?

Apologies if anyone’s posted this already, but according to today’s Times, J K Rowling sent this message to Kirsty Burrows, head of the International Olympic Committee’s safe sport unit:

“A young female boxer has has just had everything she’s worked and trained for snatched away, because you allowed a male to get in the ring with her. You’re a disgrace, your ‘safeguarding’ is a joke, and #Paris24 will be for ever tarnished by the brutal injustice done to Carini.’

👏👏👏 JKR!

The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.

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I think I will believe the professional boxing associations view over someone that shouts on GN

A female with XY chromosomes? Reality and biology tells me that that’s an oxymoron.

paddyann54

The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.

They were assigned female at birth, which is not the same as born female

They have XY chromosomes.

Maybe an apology for your keyboard shouting would be nice.

Yup. There's morons around right enough!

paddyann54

The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.

Chromosomes and testosterone levels in the male range don't lie.
A passport may.

Parents could bring up a child as a girl even if that child is genetically male. It doesn't change the sex of that person

A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.

Good idea. We await with interest.

paddyann54

The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.

she has been boxing for years

He was banned by the IBA.

paddyann54

The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.

Are you referring to Caster Semenya as the female runner? In which case you are wrong again. Caster Semenya has 5ARD a DSD that only affects males.

These boxers were disqualified by the IBA because they failed genetic testing. Perhaps you don't understand DNA paddyann54, it's in every cell of your body, identifies your sex and never changes? They were not disqualified for naturally high testosterone levels in females. As a point of interest there is no overlap between the female range, even those females with POS, and the male range. It's strange that neither boxer appealed the IBA decision, which they were entitled to do. Maybe because they knew any tests would ratify the disqualification.