Teachers leaving the profession

Callistemon213

😁 I know a lovely Liam!

So do I now.

I was interested to hear the range of jobs teachers can move to. Obviously STEM subject teachers are at an advantage.

mabon1

The wages are OK starting salary £30,000.00. not bad for a 21 year old.

Interesting teachers are leaving. I'd have thought the starting salary good.

Norah

mabon1

The wages are OK starting salary £30,000.00. not bad for a 21 year old.

Interesting teachers are leaving. I'd have thought the starting salary good.

Probably 22 or 23 before they are qualified.

It's a 4 year course or 3 year degree course followed by PGCE.

Don't forget the student debt!

mabon1

The wages are OK starting salary £30,000.00. not bad for a 21 year old.

Teachers don't start at 21 ....they have to study at least 4 years at uni..... and thats a lot of student debt

I'd imagine teachers earn every penny of their wages.

I' think it must be an incredibly difficult job.

There was a teacher at my SiL's school who celebrated paying off
his student debt aged 38.

Only just been made £30.000, hope it makes a difference.

Aveline

Can I ask where these teachers that leave the profession go? Do they all just retire? Or are there jobs that they are better suited to?

Most of them are far too young to retire.

I know of one primary school teacher coming out of education altogether and gone to be a work coach in the DWP.

Others might stay in education and go to the DoE, or their local LA, or even join an Academy Trust as non teaching staff.

That starting salary is quite new and now teachers have to complete (effectively) two years as NQT (newly qualified teachers) but are not called NQT any more but ECT (early career teachers!).

So not put on main pay scales now til two years after they’ve qualified!

My daughter is about to enter her 4th year of Primary Teaching, in her first year after graduating she worked for 1 year in an early years nursery setting, then started as an NQT on £26,000, not a great starting salary for a graduate, her younger sister earns more as a CS, with just A levels.

Our first year out teachers earn around $75,000 pa. - around £38,000. Pretty dire but not as dire as yours! They deserve every last cent.

My DGC must be lucky. They are happy at school and get wonderful reports.
My 6yr old adores her teacher and has been following her pregnancy with great interest. She ofcourse will have a new teacher this week.

However 35 years ago, I was at A&E with my DS who had a minor injury. Sitting opposite us was a male primary school teacher with a nasty head wound. He had been beaten up by the older brother of a pupil whom he had reprimanded.

Two of my nephews and a cousin have gone into teaching from other careers, taking lower pay. One told me his previous job as an editor was dull. He's now teaching in a massive secondary school in a deprived area. It certainly isn't dull.

I did 36 years and loved it! However, I went to teacher training college so was taught how to teach !!
Then they introduced the national curriculum which was a nightmare for staff and students! Along came SATS and league tables so stress levels rose ! Successive governments have interfered excessively to the detriment of students hence the rubbish behaviour , negative attitudes and sometimes total switch off!!

Some Australian teachers I have met here tell how they ‘survived’ a year teaching in uk state schools. They were horrified at the behaviour of the students. And we think we’ve got problems …
I sense there is more parental interference here but I can’t back that up, just a sense.

nanna8

Our first year out teachers earn around $75,000 pa. - around £38,000. Pretty dire but not as dire as yours! They deserve every last cent.

I wouldn’t call that ‘dire’ for a starting-out post.

Grammaretto said "My DGC must be lucky. They are happy at school and get wonderful reports. My 6yr old adores her teacher"
And possibly therein lies the problem. Teachers often work ridiculously hard to give their pupils the best deal they can, both in terms of academic learning and relationships. The more the Leadership Team, Ofsted and govt push (euphemism for bully) classroom teachers with new admin/demands/ideas, the more difficult it becomes, the faster the burnout.

And who can blame them. Dealing with abuse etc 1-1 is quite different from trying to educate a class of 20 plus holigans. Believe me I know.

Grammaretto

My DGC must be lucky. They are happy at school and get wonderful reports.
My 6yr old adores her teacher and has been following her pregnancy with great interest. She ofcourse will have a new teacher this week.

However 35 years ago, I was at A&E with my DS who had a minor injury. Sitting opposite us was a male primary school teacher with a nasty head wound. He had been beaten up by the older brother of a pupil whom he had reprimanded.

Two of my nephews and a cousin have gone into teaching from other careers, taking lower pay. One told me his previous job as an editor was dull. He's now teaching in a massive secondary school in a deprived area. It certainly isn't dull.

My DGC loved their village school and the teachers were emotional and quite tearful at the respective leaving assemblies.

It's not fair on other pupils and the staff if just one totally out-of-control pupil can disrupt the school.
It's easy for someone sitting at home on a keyboard to say staff should be able to control him.

Feel sorry for the teachers because they haven't many punishments they can give misbehaving pupils. Why do so many children now have ADHD, we never had that but had proper discipline, not physical. Parents don't support the teachers either but defend their children's bad behaviour. Teachers haven't got a leg to stand on.

When evapes are being sold by children in primary school playgrounds and teachers can do nothing eg search bags of those allegedly seen selling no point informing police unless children can be identified. No wonder teachers are leaving in droves absolutely no authority left when it comes to schools.

I left teaching a few years ago when things were already bad. Behaviour management was a joke and so was support. Lots of meetings and words but rarely any action. Inexperienced staff were promoted to get them out of the classroom where they couldn't cope and they then tried to advise the experienced members of staff in interminable meetings, what they should be doing in the classroom! You couldn't make it up.

I think it is similar here polly123 - probably world wide now? Some pupils come here to escape the regimes in some of the Asian countries where a lot of pressure is put on youngsters to achieve. They get suicidal in some instances. We don’t have a great deal of pressure here, and I’m thankful for that but still plenty of problems and issues. Few want to teach anymore.

When you look at some of the yobs rioting recently you can see the kind of kids they were at school and what teachers faced. Not surprising teachers leave.

Not sure if things have changed that much. I was sent to a small private girls school until I was 15 and rebelled, insisting I wanted that least try and sit O levels (oddly the private school wouldn't agree to this). I went to a secondary modern for a year in the top class which did let us do a few O levels not just CSEs. Even then some of the kids were appalling, disruptive and horrible to the teachers so very little got done. One subject Teacher hit one of the disruptive kids and was given a little more respect (I actually got a passable grade in that subject). The kids who wanted more had to go to the local FE college to retrieve their grades or sit A levels. What's gone is the opportunity to have a second bash at the exams, day release or evening classes... Ironically, I spent most of my working life as a university lecturer so I did ok but so many didn't. I feel sorry for those who's school lives were, and often still are, marred by the poor behaviour of others and bullying, yet they still have to attend school or risk parents being prosecuted. On the radio this morning, probably radio 4, a news article on a private school experimenting with learning delivered partly online at the students own pace with afternoons spent in discussion and so on. If I can find it I'll try and post details (away camping at the moment) and this is, to me, the beginning of a possible solution for a lot of kids who want to focus on learning in their own way. It's not just teachers who have a hard time with badly behaved children destroying the learning environment, it's the other kids too. Soul destroying for teachers and students and low levels of education don't equip people to deal with the complexity and speed of change we are experiencing in modern life.

I suppose you'd need to look at the standard of the schools, too, to be fair.