Yaxley-Lennon - false passport?

I agree, Wyllow. Yaxley-Lennon has the ring of an aristocratic hippie running a commune … or maybe a cult which YL certainly does run, his followers all too willing to crowdfund his lifestyle.

I did some sleuthing through genealogy records. Both of his maternal grandparents were born in Dublin and married in Dublin. His mother was born in Dublin in 1957.

Looks like his maternal grandparents and their Dublin-born children first arrived in Luton in the early 1960s whereupon they had more two more children. The family appears in Luton voter lists from 1963 onwards. His mother is first listed to vote in 1975 when she was 18.

She married English-born Malcom Yaxley in 1980 and Thomas Lennon in 1990. Birth registrations in Luton for Stephen Yaxley and his slightly older brother were then re-registered.

The Irish Department of Foreign Affairs says you are automatically an Irish citizen if one of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland. You can also become an Irish citizen if one of your grandparents was born in Ireland. Either way he would qualify to apply for an Irish passport but unless his parents just happened to be visiting Ireland when his mother gave birth (but still registered him in Luton), I doubt very much that he was born in Ireland.

So he has joint UK and Irish passports or just Irish?

Both, it seems (waiting for investigation results however). He has many criminal convictions linked to his English identity, and is also limited due to Brexit, which he strongly pushed for- so using an Irish passport would have made his moving around easier, as his move to Spain!

You don’t need to be born in Ireland to get an Irish passport, a parent or grandparents born in Ireland will suffice, and that’s for the whole island of Ireland

Who is he???

So why does this post not classify as 'spreading mis-information' ?

Why did you bring Brian into that 😂

pce612

Who is he???

Hard to know where to start, but this wiki article gives both personal and political details which are adequate background to comments made on this thread if not totally up to date

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

He has been one of those inflaming the situation for rioting and has been of interest to anti-terror watchdogs for some time. (ie by those in our society monitoring a number of individuals) and therefore questions about extraditing in this thread. re the riots.

Debsododaband

You don’t need to be born in Ireland to get an Irish passport, a parent or grandparents born in Ireland will suffice, and that’s for the whole island of Ireland

You cannot automatically get an Irish passport if you have an Irish grandparent.
You have to register on the Foreign Births Register first, it takes about a year.
Once accepted you can apply for your passport.

dayvidg

So why does this post not classify as 'spreading mis-information' ?

Because it is not. Clearly stated that we have to wait for proper investigation.

Sago, exactly- you have to go through a rigorous procedure and it takes time. It seems, awaiting investigation and confirmation, that Yaxley-Lennon needed an Irish passport quickly, because his British one was affected by several criminal charges, and limiting due to Brexit (he wanted to move to Spain- has done so, in fact) - so he may have decided to cut corners and commit fraud. Again, to be confirmed or dismissed by official investigation by British, Irish and Spanish Governments.

His mother was Irish.
I thought that automatically qualified someone for an Irish passport.

Didn't you read Sago's post just above. It does- but the procedure is very strict, proof required with birth certificates, and takes quite a while. So someone desperate, because of criminal conviction on original passport from place of birth, and Brexit restrictions to movement to Europe- may have taken illegal shortcuts. In this case, if and when proven by investigation, stating Ireland as place of birth.

One of my friends applied after Brexit, and the procedure was not simple and it took over 1 year.

This all follows his detention by Canadian immigration officials in June. On the form (which was posted online) his country of birth is given as Ireland. Members of the Irish parliament have expressed concern that the passport could have been issued fraudulently.

Fleurpepper

Didn't you read Sago's post just above. It does- but the procedure is very strict, proof required with birth certificates, and takes quite a while. So someone desperate, because of criminal conviction on original passport from place of birth, and Brexit restrictions to movement to Europe- may have taken illegal shortcuts. In this case, if and when proven by investigation, stating Ireland as place of birth.

One of my friends applied after Brexit, and the procedure was not simple and it took over 1 year.

No, I didn't, because at the moment, it's all "may have" and "could have been".

Elz57, I think she meant ‘brain’!

I’m no expert on this but what I am reading online suggests that all he would have to do to obtain an Irish passport would be to provide his own and his mother’s birth documents:

Additional documents

If you were born abroad to a parent born in Ireland or Northern Ireland - you should also include your Irish-born parent’s birth certificate.

www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel-and-recreation/passports/applying-for-or-renewing-an-irish-passport/

He has automatic Irish citizenship through his Dublin-born mother. He would only have to register his English birth on the Foreign Births Register if he was claiming citizenship through his Irish grandparents.

Born outside Ireland?

You are automatically an Irish citizen if one of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland. You can ^become an Irish citizen if one of your grandparents was born in Ireland, or you can become an Irish citizen if one of your parents was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, but was not born in Ireland. If you’re eligible, you can register your birth on the Foreign Births Register.^

www.dfa.ie/globalirishhub/archive/sport-culture-heritage/claiming-irish-citizenship/

Any infringement he may have caused by saying he was born in Ireland would be a separate matter.

Section 20 of the Irish Passport Act 2008 says:

20 (1) A person who, whether in the State or elsewhere—

(a) in connection with an application for the issue of a passport ... provides information or documents that he knows or believes to be false or misleading in a material respect ...

is guilty of an offence.

Even if he did say on his passport application that he was born in Ireland I'm struggling to think that this is misleading in any material respect as he has automatic Irish citizenship.

It's only conjecture but if is alleged to have lied about where he was born then the simplest explanation would be that he didn't have access to his mother's or grandparents' documents to claim inherited citizenship.

Reuters fact check on the warrant on Robinson (checked 7 days ago as false rumours being spread)

www.reuters.com/fact-check/tommy-robinson-arrested-over-stop-search-not-london-demonstration-2024-08-07/

Maerion, this would be no excuse anyhow. But it could be, that he was in a hurry, because a) his British passport was linked to several criminal offences which would crop up when passpot checked when leaving the country or re-entry, as in Canada fairly recently. And/or because he wanted to move to Spain in a hurry and Brexit, which he strongly advocated for, was made difficult, combined to criminal record.

Of course, we all know that. But I am sure he had to go through due process to do so, and wait for quite some time.

These days, having a passport linked to several criminal records would be flagged up everytime it is scanned at ports or airports, both by the British system, and even more so in EU and non EU countries. Getting a second passport would be an attempt, in some cases, to try and avoid this.

Wyllow3

Reuters fact check on the warrant on Robinson (checked 7 days ago as false rumours being spread)

www.reuters.com/fact-check/tommy-robinson-arrested-over-stop-search-not-london-demonstration-2024-08-07/

This is a separate issue. He was detained in Canada in June. I'm not sure why, but he was released. For some reason, he posted the paperwork online, which stated that he had been born in Ireland. No idea if it was a simple mistake because he was travelling on his Irish passport or whether he claimed that he was born in Ireland.

I don't think there's any doubt he is entitled to an Irish passport. The trouble with false information about his passport is that it gives a reason to hit back at his critics - and, in this case, he would be justified.

But it still seems, from the Reuters article in the link by Wyllow3, that he skipped bail.

He's a 'plant', placed to cause trouble and thereby providing a good excuse for a clampdown. In the past he has had connections with pro-Zionist groups. Things aren't always what they seem. While we are 'loving to hate' these idiots we are not seeing other things. Sorry, I can't provide references, but if you are interested try listening to UK Column News and other alternative channels. Ok, it's hard to know what's true, but one thing's for certain, we aren't going to find 'truth' in any of the papers or on the BBC

I think it’s strange you ladies ? Are judge and jury when you don’t know the facts.

growstuff

This all follows his detention by Canadian immigration officials in June. On the form (which was posted online) his country of birth is given as Ireland. Members of the Irish parliament have expressed concern that the passport could have been issued fraudulently.

Ainee- the OP and other posts do state that a full investigation is required, and confirmation either way.

However this post is fact, and checked, from Growstuff earlier

'This all follows his detention by Canadian immigration officials in June. On the form (which was posted online) his country of birth is given as Ireland. Members of the Irish parliament have expressed concern that the passport could have been issued fraudulently.'

Allsorts. Hope your aim is good