How about this to make the immigration problem fairer?

Luckygirl3 my feelings exactly!

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Such a simple idea that would probably work. If the French government are also interested in saving more drownings in the English channel then why would it be seen as an act of aggression.

I think the tide has turned on this issue.

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

Puncture the boats before they even get in the water. It won’t be easy but if they do about 6 the message will get through.

Sago

eggplant

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

No it was reported widely in the local and national press

Must be true then!

Ramblingrose22

Another interesting rule in Denmark.

When my DS went to live there in 2013 he had to sign a form saying that he would not be a burden on the state or claim any thing from public funds for the first 5 years after his arrival.

I think he did get free hospital treatment though.

I don't know if this rule is still in place.

Britain has this rule as well - has done for years.

My niece moved to the UK with her American husband several years ago. He had to sign that he would not burden the state, could not claim benefits and has to pay over £1,000 per year to the NHS.

In Australia they have more or less stopped the boats but they haven’t stopped the planes and the fake papers. A different scenario because the distances are a lot greater and people were coming from the north from a poor country across a much more difficult sea passage. It was very dangerous and,really, what refugees would trouble to go all the way to PNG ? No one would come from the South!

BigBopper

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

When they land, put them on a ship straight away and sail them back to whence they came which usually is France. Keep returning them on a daily basis until they realise we mean business.

A lady of my thinking

BigBopper

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

When they land, put them on a ship straight away and sail them back to whence they came which usually is France. Keep returning them on a daily basis until they realise we mean business.

That’s too late. They shouldn’t be allowed to land here at all. The only way is to puncture the boats before they set off.
I know the argument will be that France has a large coastline to monitor but they have been paid millions to help the problem. If they stepped up their Police presence on shore and also on the sea they would at least stop some. Do this on a regular basis and they might take note.

Sago

eggplant

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

No it was reported widely in the local and national press

For those who dispute the above post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/15/nigerian-asylum-gay-three-children-parcel-fraud/

LR10

Asylum in Denmark is now a temporary measure rather than a path to permanent settlement. Asylum seekers who need a place of refuge are granted one for as long as their home country is unsafe, but no longer. Apparently this has drastically cut the numbers of those who seek asylum as a way to improve their economic prospects. Is that a solution that covers most bases?

Would the law in the Uk allow this?

rosie1959

GrannyGravy13

I have just read that Germany is closing its borders, needs must.

But would that actually work we are surrounded by water and that doesn't deter people

I’m afraid being an island is our Archilles heal in this situation.
By the international rules of the sea you must react to a mayday call.
Where as if you are entering Germany it will 99%certain this will be by road, train, walking. At some time you will be asked to present your passport.
I fully expect Germany to use drones on other routes.

petra

Sago

eggplant

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

No it was reported widely in the local and national press

For those who dispute the above post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/15/nigerian-asylum-gay-three-children-parcel-fraud/

There's no room for him in prison, can he be deported now or is it too late?

I am so confused. Why is it that someone should not travel and settle in the UK?

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

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Bigbopper

A small majority of AS are economic migrants, many have links with England, many speak English as a second language, many come from Syria and Afghanistan.

There were women and children on the last boat which sank.

What we need is a quick, efficient and effective way of processing them, better agreements with the French, a way to stop the traffickers and safe ways for people to enter and seek asylum.

Simply quoting ring wing press to prove a point doesn’t really cut it here.

There are people on here who’ve worked with refugees over the years and pretty recently.

Macadia

I am so confused. Why is it that someone should not travel and settle in the UK?

Because we don’t want Jonny Foreigner over here!
Because we are full!
Because they steal our jobs!
Because we are an Island and we will sink!
Because they are all criminals!
Because Donald Trump says they eat our cats and dogs!
Because they get better treated than “our own”

Take your pick! These are the ridiculous reasons that some people think!

Cossy because the paperwork isn’t in order?

There are people on here who’ve worked with refugees over the years and pretty recently.

Asylum seekers are not refugees until or unless they are granted refugee status
Economic migrants are not asylum seekers or refugees.

www.habitatforhumanity.org.uk/blog/2016/09/refugees-asylum-seekers-migrants-crucial-difference/#:~:text=Unlike%20refugees%20who%20cannot%20safely,own%20immigration%20laws%20and%20processes.

ronib

Cossy because the paperwork isn’t in order?

Yes, but that’s factual and could be down to many factors?

I’m not at all against controlled, fair immigration of all types, and I’m totally in favour of stopping the small boats cross and lorries hiding people, and people trafficking in general (possibly for different reasons to you, but the net result would be the same)

My understanding (& I may have got this wrong) is that the UK would have found it much easier to “send them back) if we were still in the EU?

Allira

^There are people on here who’ve worked with refugees over the years and pretty recently.^

Asylum seekers are not refugees until or unless they are granted refugee status
Economic migrants are not asylum seekers or refugees.

www.habitatforhumanity.org.uk/blog/2016/09/refugees-asylum-seekers-migrants-crucial-difference/#:~:text=Unlike%20refugees%20who%20cannot%20safely,own%20immigration%20laws%20and%20processes.

I agree, I absolutely know the difference between AS and economic migrants. My point is not all crossing are economic migrants!

Cossy well I can’t imagine turning up to say Italy without first finding out what I had to do to live there long term. I think there’s due process to being accepted into another country…. Although if the Labour government persists with its anti pensioner policies, I might be tempted.

ronib

Cossy well I can’t imagine turning up to say Italy without first finding out what I had to do to live there long term. I think there’s due process to being accepted into another country…. Although if the Labour government persists with its anti pensioner policies, I might be tempted.

You don’t need to claim asylum in another country through no choice do you!

We don’t persecute people here in the UK for their sexuality, politics or other beliefs.

Despite the issues here, and there are many caused by the previous govt., and now it seems by the current govt., we are still free to express our views, to peacefully protest, to have an education, to live openly in gay relationships and follow our political persuasions.

If you personally wanted to relocate to Italy (or any country of your choosing) of course you’d find out how to do this and what you need to do, just like the many many migrants who enter our country quite legitimately and settle here. Far far more come in this way than those coming in small boats and in lorries.

I hope that all those who think that immigration numbers are too high are equally loud in their opposition to this country selling arms to unstable countries and regimes. We can’t egg on conflict from the sidelines and then decline responsibility for the results.

winterwhite

I hope that all those who think that immigration numbers are too high are equally loud in their opposition to this country selling arms to unstable countries and regimes. We can’t egg on conflict from the sidelines and then decline responsibility for the results.

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