How about this to make the immigration problem fairer?

I don’t think arms should be sold to any country. A country can quickly become ‘unstable’ as we have seen many times. I can’t think of a stable country these days - even in the ‘west’.

Visgir1

If Germany have started to do this.. Who will be next?

I can tell you who won’t!
Britain.

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Isn't it a hostile act of maritime law when the French navy escort these people into British waters.
I suggest we stop handing them 500million pounds unless they stop this act of facilitating illegal migrants into our waters.

Just been watching massive demos going on in Ireland against immigration. They say they’re full and in some parts of ROI some communities now have more immigrants than locals.

Freya5

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Isn't it a hostile act of maritime law when the French navy escort these people into British waters.
I suggest we stop handing them 500million pounds unless they stop this act of facilitating illegal migrants into our waters.

This is worth a read as regards what the French Police can and try to do: (interesting bit later in the article as regards yes they do try and puncture boats or stop them leaving the coast). And what they cannot legally do: they are very active:

but whats happening now is that boats are not launched at the pick up place, they are launched further down the coast at night and at dawn come close to the beach but not actually on land.

If the French coastguards apprehend a boat at sea in difficulties yes, just as the Brits do,

they will escort if struggling or rescue of the boat fails and bring back to the relevant coast (French coast, French waters, Brit coast, if in Brit waters)

news.sky.com/story/migrants-try-to-board-small-boat-off-french-beach-in-desperate-bid-for-britain-as-powerless-police-watch-on-13154980

There is a long and detailed article in Le Monde detailing actions but its behind a paywall.

Denmark’s approach seems to make things more uncertain for people seeking asylum since they only get to stay while their home country is unsafe. It might reduce numbers, but I wonder how that impacts those who really need long-term help. I remember dealing with some paperwork when moving countries, and having an apostillelondon.com/uk-apostille/apostille-for-birth-certificate/ was one of those things that made the process smoother. It’s something to think about if someone’s trying to stay longer or needs to handle legal stuff while abroad.

Ramblingrose22

Another interesting rule in Denmark.

When my DS went to live there in 2013 he had to sign a form saying that he would not be a burden on the state or claim any thing from public funds for the first 5 years after his arrival.

I think he did get free hospital treatment though.

I don't know if this rule is still in place.

That’s really interesting because we were still in the EU then, and we were told here in Britain that EU citizens were not allowed to claim benefits here in Britain only for the first three months, not for five years. If we’d had a rule like that we probably would never have left, which would have been a good thing.

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Surely that works both ways. France send them, escort them even, into British waters. Then we could refuse to take them. So take back to France. These people are not in need, they are in France, they are selfish chancers, who would trample a child to death to get on a boat to take them to the land of milk and honey.

Freya5

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Surely that works both ways. France send them, escort them even, into British waters. Then we could refuse to take them. So take back to France. These people are not in need, they are in France, they are selfish chancers, who would trample a child to death to get on a boat to take them to the land of milk and honey.

How do you know all this Freya? It's unbelievable really the amount of in depth knowledge you have on thousands and thousands of people you have never met ( I assume)

Perhaps you volunteer and have spent time chatting to refugees.
I can only assume this is where you glean your thorough understanding of the compex situation.

Yes, this might be n idea for AS, but they only account for a small proportion of migrants to this country.

I think, I may be wrong, that what is going on behind all this obsession with AS is really a concern about migration, and I think many people instinctively see any migrant as having come here illegally.

The vast majority of migrants come here legally to fill labour gaps in our eeonomy, especially to staff the NHS and Care sector. Many non-white families have been here for generations and are as British as I am - I am part Irish.

The solution to the AS problem is to do what we can to help the countries they come from so that they have no need to flee and try to get here.

We sometimes we need to consider the privaions and dangers these migrants go through to get her, and how bad life would have to be for us to consider such a journey.

It was reported a few days ago by mainstream news that some migrants had died whilst trying to cross the Channel, and that one child was was trampled to death by other migrants. I can’t remember any other details. I assume the child was quite small. I also assume that if the boat was in difficulties that people would panic and that’s probably how this sad event occurred.

Freya I don't think you read my post just a little upthread, Thu 19-Sep-24 20:41:29, as regards what happens if a small boat runs into trouble at sea, which I backed up with a detailed Sky news article:

if they capsize/in serious danger in French Waters, they are returned to France by French : if they capsize/in serious danger in UK waters they are brought to the UK by UK

Pensioners are going to freeze, these migrants will be getting a free heat for sure

ronib

What we need biglouisis for the inmates not to be in charge of the asylum…….

What does that mean in real terms?

It’s very, very sad that these people are risking their lives but unfortunately they are being encouraged to come by the lure of nice hotels, phones, pocket money & goodness knows what else?

31,000 have arrived this year on small boats. There seems to be no end to it.

Mt61

Pensioners are going to freeze, these migrants will be getting a free heat for sure

You've resurrected a thread that's been dead since 08/10! I always wonder why someone does this rather than start a new thread with a more relevant title. Just musing and not trying to tell anyone what is allowed, just curious.

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Cossy

Bigbopper

A small majority of AS are economic migrants, many have links with England, many speak English as a second language, many come from Syria and Afghanistan.

There were women and children on the last boat which sank.

What we need is a quick, efficient and effective way of processing them, better agreements with the French, a way to stop the traffickers and safe ways for people to enter and seek asylum.

Simply quoting ring wing press to prove a point doesn’t really cut it here.

There are people on here who’ve worked with refugees over the years and pretty recently.

Exactly.

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WI think Denark sysrem fair. Why don't people living here learn the language, yet they drive, how can that be safe? To settle here, they need to pass a citizenship criteria, get a job otherwise it's temporary.

Why can't the boats be taken or damaged in France so they cannot sail. I suppose that's too easy to consider.

I can't see why at thread cannot be resurrected if it's still relevant.

I have always thought it would be better to grant refugee status to those fleeing unstable countries. It should be understood that they will return home when things change for the better, which eventually they will do.
Meanwhile, they must find work and support themselves. Deportation will be the Damocles sword for all who commit crimes.