37 Prisoners Realeased from Prison By Mistake

Iam64
Well I expect you’d like posters to respond that police and the CJS are very cross with Mr Starmer because like everything else that goes wrong, it’s all his fault.
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Only because he appointed Sue Gray.

And Sue Gray was obviously the one to make this error. She was also responsible for prison overcrowding and the years of austerity that led to this situation

My best guess is that Starmer, Gray and senior civil servants would have been very involved in stopping the riots which had suddenly flared up. I remember that it was a government policy to prosecute offenders in record breaking time, followed by prison sentences all to deter further protests. So it worked in a way.
Again showing a lack of final detail about the number of prison places. Still no one is perfect.

I felt that it was essential the riots were dealt with quickly and effectively, and they were.

How short our memories are just what it was like during that week.

And Starmer had the courage to take on the rapid spread of the incitement and planning more riots on Social Media as well as some filled with absolute hatred - some giving out home addresses of targets - instead of just sending the police out once a riot had started.

Lisaangel10

Heard on radio that one of those released in error committed a sexual assault very shortly after release.

If any of the released prisoners were guilty of violent crimes their victims must be terrified.

It's no laughing matter nor one for political point-scoring, nor is it about privatisation.

What concerns me the most is that one of terrorists responsible for 2007 London bombings was released 16 years early. We need to totally rethink the early release of prisoners before the end of their sentences. It’s just another failure to consider the victims and their families

They have located 30 0f them, just looking for 7 now. Under the circumstances, what would you have done

Wyllow3

I felt that it was essential the riots were dealt with quickly and effectively, and they were.

How short our memories are just what it was like during that week.

And Starmer had the courage to take on the rapid spread of the incitement and planning more riots on Social Media as well as some filled with absolute hatred - some giving out home addresses of targets - instead of just sending the police out once a riot had started.

If the PM is that keen to take on violent thugs why are the men who assaulted police officers and broke a female officer’s nose, still walking the streets?

Why haven’t they been charged, despite security cameras and statements?

I was referring to the incident at Manchester Airport

I think the problem is that this policy was rushed and not properly thought through. If a little more time had been taken the wording could have made it clearer as to which prisoners would be eligible for early release taking into account the time and law they were sentenced under

"I think the problem is that this policy was rushed and not properly thought through".

Isn't that the problems with all Labour polices eg Brown selling off half of the UK's gold reserves when the price was at rock bottom in 1999 (co-incidentally and ironically costing the UK £22bn!)
Brown ruining everyone's company pension and the pension industry itself when he stole the Dividend Tax Credit
...the list is endless and continues today with Reeves' policies having consequences that everyone (else) can see

GrannyGravy13

I was referring to the incident at Manchester Airport

They are still free, as it was explained at the time, because they will be tried at a Crown Court, not a magistrates Court and not only will the preparation of the cases against them take time to prepare but also, thanks to tory cuts over 14 years, the actual court system is subject to long delays. Delays such as rape cases taking 4 or 5 years to come to trial, during which time the perpetrators are walking the streets. Probably the same streets as their victims.

I don't know if you thought you had scored a political point with this case, but as far as I can see, the only political point I can see is that the tories managed to almost destroy the court system along with everything else they turned their hands to

MaizieD no political point scoring from me, not my modus operandi.

Just a genuine observation.

GrannyGravy13

I was referring to the incident at Manchester Airport

Best information I could find is in this Reuters report GG13 :

www.reuters.com/fact-check/manchester-airport-violence-investigations-ongoing-sept-25-2024-09-27/#:~:text=Four%20men%20were%20arrested%20%2C%20opens,on%20suspicion%20of%20obstructing%20police.

It's with the CPS atm, not buried. The IOPC investigation into the actions of the police is also ongoing, a spokesperson for the police complaints watchdog said to Reuters by email on Sept. 26. (despite SM memes that its been dropped).

The CPS has on its books a backlog of violent incidents:

"Data published by the Ministry of Justice today shows the backlog reached 67,573 between October and December 2023, up from 62,628 on the same quarter in 2022. The backlog has been steadily climbing during 2023"

deedeedum

They have located 30 0f them, just looking for 7 now. Under the circumstances, what would you have done

I think you are wrong:

All but one of those mistakenly released have been located, the Ministry of Justice has confirmed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy43kkw7pn2o

As Cossy said, it’s down to lack of funding. For years we’ve had issues with courts using the old Protection from Harassment Act 1997 when they should be using the Sentencing Act 2020 for breaches. Not much point in blaming this person or that . The issue is under funding resulting in loss of staff/expertise, and increased work load for remaining staff, similar to the situation in other essential services. The police and courts must be extremely concerned about the error.

Was bound to happen with this kind of mass release but no consolation for those whose abusers were released. Thank goodness most now found and returned.
So many of our systems now in chaos, I think we're mostly learning to expect the worst and just be pleasantly surprised when things go well.

This government is a laughing stock they have contradicted themselves, lied and been downright ruthless whilst taking what they could get their hands on.
I feel guilty that I voted for them thinking they would be more scrupulous than the Tories, before he got elected Starmer made all the right noises sounding as if he had integrity and was for the working people, but boy didn’t he change in such a short time.
How many times did he say about pensioners having to choose eating or heating and look what he has done I have a feeling things are going to get worse because just like the Tories they are in government for what they can help themselves to not for the country.

I dare say the Daily Mail et al will ‘reveal’ that Keir Starmer ‘personally unlocked the cells of the 37 and escorted them off the premises to an awaiting luxury coach, driven by Sue Gray and loaded with booze and fags for their enjoyment’

Beeb

As Cossy said, it’s down to lack of funding. For years we’ve had issues with courts using the old Protection from Harassment Act 1997 when they should be using the Sentencing Act 2020 for breaches. Not much point in blaming this person or that . The issue is under funding resulting in loss of staff/expertise, and increased work load for remaining staff, similar to the situation in other essential services. The police and courts must be extremely concerned about the error.

Lack of funding does not excuse the incompetence of Shabana Mahmood and her team for not checking properly before they ok'd the release of these thugs. On them lies the blame.

Beeb

As Cossy said, it’s down to lack of funding. For years we’ve had issues with courts using the old Protection from Harassment Act 1997 when they should be using the Sentencing Act 2020 for breaches. Not much point in blaming this person or that . The issue is under funding resulting in loss of staff/expertise, and increased work load for remaining staff, similar to the situation in other essential services. The police and courts must be extremely concerned about the error.

Just so.

No, the "blame" lies firmly with those who allowed the prisons to go beyond full and did absolutely nothing, kept pretty silent when it was in growing crisis.

LizzyDrip, no he just handed over the key.

LizzieDrip

I dare say the Daily Mail et al will ‘reveal’ that Keir Starmer ‘personally unlocked the cells of the 37 and escorted them off the premises to an awaiting luxury coach, driven by Sue Gray and loaded with booze and fags for their enjoyment’

Yes I expect the victim of the sexual assault by a released prisoner is also laughing at your oh so witty post.

The blame for the prisons being too full lies with those who allowed the prisons too full

The blame for allowing prisoners to be released who should not have been released and are still avoiding recapture lies with
a) the person who decided that the release should go ahead, whatever excuse was given
b) those responsible for inadequate checking before releasing them.