Well Done Rosie Duffield

I agree (and have been saying from the start) that the Comms have been dire. I also hope that the budget will calm things down a bit.

It goes without saying that a Labour government will have a hostile press - they always do - but this time round has been worse than ever, probably as social media is in play. I'm not shocked by that, so much as by the way the public has joined in. I do find that worrying.

It was open season for sniping during the last government. So why would things change just because it’s Labour?

I don’t remember it starting so early after TB and GB and Labour’s departure, but then social media wasn’t around so much to comment on and recall their sins in power.
That meant comparisons or if there were any examples of what David Cameron had condemned Labour for, then immediately decided it was a good idea for him to do once in power weren’t so easily available.

The other reason is probably the defensive attitude and refusal to admit that they might be wrong, from Labour supporters for whatever Labour comes up with.

The government do communicate what they've done - often it not picked up, or picked up and presented with a sneer and misrepresentative quotes....Sad we've lost WWM list of what has been done.

I do agree they need to have better press office skills.

I hope WWM is ok.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering. There is a huge difference between criticism and sniping.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government.
That’s your right.

Sunak, not called names?
I remember his being deeply upset, mainly for his girls, because he had publicly been called "an effing Paki". It was shown on tv too.
Seems anything goes, whoever, whatever.

It depresses me that a significant proportion of the British electorate live in fantasy land and expect quick fixes within 3 months and are so easily manipulated by much of the cynical British media
I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering.
Who is living in fantasy land?

Doodledog

I hope WWM is ok.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering. There is a huge difference between criticism and sniping.

Oh come on Doodledog

Selective amnesia, maybe?

On Gransnet and in the media I think Johnson was called a lot of names, particularly after actions which many saw as outrageous. I don’t think Sunak suffered the same personal attacks fate really, apart from maybe on a couple of occasions. People didn’t all agree with what the government were doing, but it didn’t tend to be as personally directed. I thought he acquitted himself professionally - it’s a pity for the Tories that it wasn’t him who replaced Teresa May.

GrannyGravy13

Doodledog

I hope WWM is ok.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering. There is a huge difference between criticism and sniping.

Oh come on Doodledog

Selective amnesia, maybe?

So what was Johnson wrongly criticised for?

So what was Johnson wrongly criticised for?
Weird question. Who on here has said Johnson was wrongly criticised?
But Starmer’s critics aren’t all wrong either.

escaped

Sunak, not called names?
I remember his being deeply upset, mainly for his girls, because he had publicly been called "an effing Paki". It was shown on tv too.
Seems anything goes, whoever, whatever.

Oh, that is disgraceful. I am sorry to hear that his daughter had to put up with that.

I was talking about the tabloid nonsense though. Other than 'Dishy Rishi', which is complimentary at least, I don't recall people copying tabloid insults aimed at any of them.

Of course it is my right to say that I don't remember anything of the sort - there is really no need to point it out, although I suppose I could join in and say that it is your right to point out my rights 😂. It would soon get a bit like One Man Went To Mow, though.

I think the media is wrong to even draw attention to all this offensive rubbish. By publicising personal insults, they are actually associating themselves with the sleaze, whipping up intetest, and are thereby partly responsible. Then people copy the insults without even remembering where they came from.
As a Conservative supporter, I will be more sensitive to attacks on Tory politicians. Whereas LP supporters will maybe be more aware of attacks on those from their party.

I suspect that the media create the rubbish, escaped. You're right that people notice different things, but the media is very much skewed to the right, so it is much more difficult for the LP to get support, even tacitly.

Doodledog The media is simply skewed. Just perverse? Neither right nor left? Must be its business model?

Mollygo

^So what was Johnson wrongly criticised for?^
Weird question. Who on here has said Johnson was wrongly criticised?
But Starmer’s critics aren’t all wrong either.

I was confused by the selective amnesia comment…

ronib - it’s really an incontrovertible truth that our print media is skewed to the right. The Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph, the Times to name but a few. GB news is definitely right leaning.
The bbc is accused of being left or right wing depending on who is getting offended. I generally find the bbc tries to report objective

Iam64 or think of it another way. The old media outlets are losing subscribers and not getting the numbers anymore. Failing business models?
Yes GB news is right wing but does it have that much credibility? There’s a definite cynicism about how news is digested.

I suspect it’s because we can read the papers on line

You’ve not answered your own question again ronib, what do you personally think is the reality? This was your question.

‘The media is simply skewed. Just perverse? Neither right nor left? Must be its business model?’

Perhaps Mr ronib can advise

Casdon. Chill. I don’t think for one minute that the media worries about full and factual reporting. Its business model is to make money for its owners regardless of political affiliation.

Iam64 Mr Ronib is very exhausted today advising generally. Best not ask.

ronib - it’s really an incontrovertible truth that our print media is skewed to the right. The Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph, the Times to name but a few. GB news is definitely right leaning..
And the Guardian, the Observer, the Mirror, the Metro, The Independent?
Iam64,Why this obsession with labelling everything Right or Left wing? And pretending newspapers make up stories? The reputable ones don't need to, and the lies come from these peculiar online news 'distributors.' which are even infecting my rarely used mobile.
Readers are able to discriminate; there are so many news sources available, and the public has far more common sense than you give then credit for.

Which newspapers do you class as reputable eazybee? There are perhaps two or three of the ones you named that are in my opinion, I’d be interested to see if we would choose the same ones?