Real concern - New white supremacist group in UK

Obviously, violence is very far from being an answer.

But as I say, completely ignoring a large group of people, isnt.
I feel I have gone around in a circle with my comments.

fancythat

Tribal wars abound.

That’s because at our core humans are tribal.

I didn’t mention immigration but if that is your take on it you are entitled to your opinion.

petra

fancythat

Tribal wars abound.

That’s because at our core humans are tribal.

You are probably right.

I’m not really surprised.
I don’t come across racism in my everyday life, I never have done.
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, it means I don’t experience it.
When I worked in the inner city with a variety of people of of all different races and religions, well Christianity and Islam and no religion, I experienced no racism. Was that because I was the teacher? Maybe racism happened out on the street.
I live in an area that is almost exclusively white. There is a lady from South America who lives in my little Close, married to a white English man, but otherwise when I go out, everyone is white. I suspect that is the case for many of us living outside of cities.
I don’t pretend to understand the aims or objectives, whatever they are, of any white supremacist groups, but I don’t understand why other groups do other things either. I don’t join groups or political parties.
Don’t most of us just live quiet lives like I do?

'The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing'.

The far right parties gaining ground throughout Europe all have a common thread. Uncontrolled immigration. It is causing all sorts of problems and many nationals in those countries are fed up with their successive Governments promising to do this, that and the other to curb migration but nothing ever happens. I am anti violence of any kind. It doesn't solve anything in my book but I was not surprised to see the recent riots exploding onto our streets. I was more surprised that they had taken so long.

In the context of the British Isles, who would you consider to be indigenous? For how long would your bloodline have to have lived here?

It's interesting that young people seem to be drifting to the Right after the Corbyn era, when the majority of first time voters voted Labour and there was considerable support among the under 25s for Jeremy Corbyn. Now that this era has passed and it's probably a distant memory for first time voters, Reform are now the second most popular party among under 25s. Also apathy is another big issue with this age group as half never bothered to vote at the last election.
Maybe another thing that might be radicalising teenage boys in particular is the EDI culture most schools seem to be promoting that probably leaves many of them cold. I did hear someone of school age referring to a rainbow flag at school as a f----t flag.

Cumbrianmale56

It's interesting that young people seem to be drifting to the Right after the Corbyn era, when the majority of first time voters voted Labour and there was considerable support among the under 25s for Jeremy Corbyn. Now that this era has passed and it's probably a distant memory for first time voters, Reform are now the second most popular party among under 25s. Also apathy is another big issue with this age group as half never bothered to vote at the last election.
Maybe another thing that might be radicalising teenage boys in particular is the EDI culture most schools seem to be promoting that probably leaves many of them cold. I did hear someone of school age referring to a rainbow flag at school as a f----t flag.

I do think an awful lot depends on both parental and peer pressure.

Reform paint a great picture of how our lives would be under them, if only it was true!

Totally uncosted policies and pie in the sky comments about immigration and stopping the small boats, then our country will be great again.

As for pushing the EDI culture, it’s shameful if has to be pushed! With two gay daughters, autism and mental health conditions in our immediate family, my children have been subjected to discrimination in both their schooling and at work, this shouldn’t still be happening in our (so called) civilised society.

I don’t know what the answers are, but I’d hate to go backwards in terms of Equality, Diversity and Inclusion.

Trump seems hell bent on taking the USA backwards, let’s not do the same.

Aldom

'The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing'.

👏👏👏👏

The problem is people are becoming increasingly turned off by the failed two main parties and their useless leaders and broken promises. I for one would never vote Conservative ot Labour again as they have no answers and never do much in office.

The problem is people are becoming increasingly turned off by the failed two main parties and their useless leaders and broken promises

Agreed.

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is people are becoming increasingly turned off by the failed two main parties and their useless leaders and broken promises. I for one would never vote Conservative ot Labour again as they have no answers and never do much in office.

Don’t you think, despite a terrible start, we should at least give this govt 12 months?

I'm not really sure how much genuine white supremacy groups - such as the one in the O/P - have ever paid much attention to what the major parties do.

For a start, they wouldn't countenance any party that has any people of colour or are Jewish in them, nor do they give much thought to women except as Andrew Tate would have us. They'd like gun ownership.
The O/P brings to attention that these groups now have international contacts and manipulation never possible before SM.

It is very worrying I do think social media has a hand in this.

It is scarey that these groups are here & gaining such support. I do think some political/ economic awareness classes in schools would be good. My parents were, I guess racist in that they looked down on people of colour, but in their defence they didn't know any individuals.I always challenged their views, due to a grammar school that encouraged me to think for myself, made me aware there's propoganda all around, & "never to believe unquestioningly what you read in the paper". Which my mum still does. There have been many equal opportunities initiatives in the last 40 years, and that's helped some disavantaged citizens, but the ones that have had no initiatives at all seem to me to be white, male young people (not so young now some of them) from working class areas that by & large did not manage to "get on their bike" like Thatcher thought they should, & have seen an ever-increasing opportunities gap since.

not knowing what an MP does, or even a local councillor does?

Well that’s risible in some cases Wyllow hence some folk/voters feeling disenfranchised. Remember Brexit? Red Wall voters lending their votes to see it actioned? Then ‘said MPs’ a merry band of rogues indeed of all stripes going against their constituency majorities and not only ignoring their wishes but actively standing up in the HoC to promote thwarting them. I do!

And then we wonder why the people feel the need to form groups to take action.

I do not condone them. But I can understand their frustration when politicians promise stuff then swivel 180° once they are comfortably ensconced!

nanna8

I think there is a feeling that the indigenous people are being neglected. Which,in some instances, is probably true.

What is your understanding of "indigenous people"?

biglouis

*Perhaps they feel ignored and threatened. Perhaps they feel there are not enough jobs available for them. Perhaps they feel no one listens to them. Perhaps they feel other groups are being favoured and given more than they are. Perhaps they feel indigenous people are being persecuted and they are treated more harshly than non indigenous people*

All of this>

And this is exactly the propaganda that Reform uses.

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

I think there is a feeling that the indigenous people are being neglected. Which,in some instances, is probably true.

What is your understanding of "indigenous people"?

Aborigines?

eggplant

*indigenous people are being persecuted*

Persecuted? How exactly? Ignored, excluded, left behind, undervalued. Yes I see that.

How is any of this connected with immigration?

I can’t work out if you’re really this naive or goading.

MayBee70 The proper description of the people who lived in Australia before the Europeans arrived is 'Indigenous people'.

This also applies to the indigenous people in North America and other countries. The use of names like 'aborigine' 'red indians', 'pygmies'. Is now no longer acceptable because of the negative assumptions about the people being called by those names is so institutionalised.

Cossy

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is people are becoming increasingly turned off by the failed two main parties and their useless leaders and broken promises. I for one would never vote Conservative ot Labour again as they have no answers and never do much in office.

Don’t you think, despite a terrible start, we should at least give this govt 12 months?

I suppose a lot can happen in the next 4 years. I would hope inflation stays low, wages rise, there is a house building programme and the economy grows steadily. These sort of things tend to keep extremists at bay and stop polarised arguments. However, time will tell and the government so far has proved to be just as unpopular as the one before.

M0nica

MayBee70 The proper description of the people who lived in Australia before the Europeans arrived is 'Indigenous people'.

This also applies to the indigenous people in North America and other countries. The use of names like 'aborigine' 'red indians', 'pygmies'. Is now no longer acceptable because of the negative assumptions about the people being called by those names is so institutionalised.

So can nanna 8 explain who she means by indigenous people?