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Anniversary of Israeli massacre

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maddyfour Sat 05-Oct-24 14:31:25

In two days time it will be the anniversary of the Israeli massacre where around 1200 people were murdered and around 300 people were taken hostage.
Today there is a big pro Palestine march him London. Would it have been more respectful and appropriate to have waited till next week or later in the month for this march to take place, especially since the first bombing of Gaza started on 13/10/23 and Israeli troops first entered Gaza on 27/10/23.

Wyllow3 Fri 18-Oct-24 12:48:05

I think its very important indeed to be clear its the current regime in Israel that people have reservations about not the Israeli people as a whole when we post, just as we should make a difference between terrorists and the innocents caught up in the war.

If you read Haaretz you can get a variety of view on Netanyahu and the way events are unfolding.
Check out today for example
www.haaretz.com

Fleurpepper Fri 18-Oct-24 13:41:59

Thank you Willow3.

I have Jewish friends in the UK, in France and Switzerland, and the USA. They, and thousands of other Jews, including their friends and family in Israel, are totally against what Netanyahu and the IDF are doing, and all say that they are putting the safety of Jews and Israel at massive risk, and are concerned that he will take us all down with him and cause WW3.

Are they antisemite for denouncing this so-called war? They are Jews, with Jewish families, and many lived and still live in Israel, and have family there.

Iam64 Fri 18-Oct-24 13:47:28

We need also to acknowledge anti semitism has been ever present. Police confirm many more acts of anti semitism towards schools, synagogues, cemeteries than attacks on Islam. I know many will say it’s due to the war, to the dreadful suffering of the Palestinians people. But attacks on anything Jewish is abhorrent

GrannyGravy13 Fri 18-Oct-24 13:57:02

I have just had this sent to me by a Jewish friend…

The Israeli population are eternally grateful for the protection that Iron Dome provides.

Fleurpepper Fri 18-Oct-24 13:59:48

Iam64

We need also to acknowledge anti semitism has been ever present. Police confirm many more acts of anti semitism towards schools, synagogues, cemeteries than attacks on Islam. I know many will say it’s due to the war, to the dreadful suffering of the Palestinians people. But attacks on anything Jewish is abhorrent

Of course, totally agree.

petra Fri 18-Oct-24 14:09:50

GrannyGravy13

I have just had this sent to me by a Jewish friend…

The Israeli population are eternally grateful for the protection that Iron Dome provides.

👏👏👏👏

Wyllow3 Fri 18-Oct-24 14:11:54

Iam64

We need also to acknowledge anti semitism has been ever present. Police confirm many more acts of anti semitism towards schools, synagogues, cemeteries than attacks on Islam. I know many will say it’s due to the war, to the dreadful suffering of the Palestinians people. But attacks on anything Jewish is abhorrent

This article gives the details.

www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/10/religious-hate-crimes-at-record-levels-in-england-and-wales-official-figures-show

maddyfour Fri 18-Oct-24 14:12:07

GrannyGravy
👏👏👏👏

Anniebach Fri 18-Oct-24 14:15:53

Thank you Wyllow

petra Fri 18-Oct-24 14:20:13

The Butcher of Khan Younis is no more.

payens1 Fri 18-Oct-24 14:31:30

paddyann54

We don’t support terrorism we do support a people who have been treated appallingly for decades by Israel ,I have nothing but sympathy for the loss of the victims of Oct 7th last year but equally I have sympathy for the horrors visited on the Palestinians for 60 +years before then and the genocide since .Netanyahu MUST be stopped before more innocents die.
This is not justice this is indeed driving Palestinians out of their homes their country.Wakeup and see the truth!

Well said

Oreo Fri 18-Oct-24 14:38:50

petra

The Butcher of Khan Younis is no more.

The rightful end for him after he orchestrated the 7th October massacre to be cornered and shot by the IDF in a ruined house on his own.
It could be a turning point now in the conflict and a chance for what’s left of hamas to hand back the hostages and melt back into the population in Gaza, never to rule there again.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 18-Oct-24 14:55:53

Oreo

petra

The Butcher of Khan Younis is no more.

The rightful end for him after he orchestrated the 7th October massacre to be cornered and shot by the IDF in a ruined house on his own.
It could be a turning point now in the conflict and a chance for what’s left of hamas to hand back the hostages and melt back into the population in Gaza, never to rule there again.

We can only hope so 🤞🏻

AGAA4 Fri 18-Oct-24 15:01:51

I think we will all be relieved if this conflict ends. Too many lives lost and destroyed. I just hope Hamas don't regroup with a new leader.

Allira Fri 18-Oct-24 15:14:48

Oreo

petra

The Butcher of Khan Younis is no more.

The rightful end for him after he orchestrated the 7th October massacre to be cornered and shot by the IDF in a ruined house on his own.
It could be a turning point now in the conflict and a chance for what’s left of hamas to hand back the hostages and melt back into the population in Gaza, never to rule there again.

We can pray for that to happen.

Evil personified. I hope he felt fear before he died.

Fleurpepper Fri 18-Oct-24 18:36:23

Jeremy Bowen confirms that this will probably make things even worse.

And confirms parents and families, doctors, watching loved ones and patients being burnt alive.

But if we condemn this, some will shout 'antisemitism'. Because Palestinian lives don't matter, because as they support terrorists, they are deemed terrorists themselves and 'fair targets'. This is just sick- and will make things much worse. Every Palestinian is now a Hamas supporter- what other choice do they have?

www.facebook.com/groups/tacticalvoting/permalink/1495756701108853/

Anniebach Fri 18-Oct-24 18:42:29

Jeremy Bowen is in Ukraine or Gaza or Palestine?

Fleurpepper Fri 18-Oct-24 18:49:28

Does the answer change parents, family and doctors, watching loved ones being burnt alive Anniebach?

Farzanah Fri 18-Oct-24 18:54:31

Hamas is not a person it’s an ideology.
I’m just about to donate to the DEC Appeal for Palestine and Lebanon. Does anyone find it ironic that we are being asked to donate to the DEC in U.K. whilst at the same time the U.K. is still exporting arms, ie components for combat aircraft to be used against Palestinians?

Wyllow3 Fri 18-Oct-24 18:57:23

Report of what was alluded to in the video clip on the BBC. They give sources.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5d33dmepo

petra Fri 18-Oct-24 19:05:26

AGAA4

I think we will all be relieved if this conflict ends. Too many lives lost and destroyed. I just hope Hamas don't regroup with a new leader.

I don’t think there will be many volunteers. It will be a patsy that those living the high life push forward.

Anniebach Fri 18-Oct-24 19:17:40

Quote Fleurpepper Fri 18-Oct-24 18:49:28
Does the answer change parents, family and doctors, watching loved ones being burnt alive Anniebach?

Reported by people in Gaza

AGAA4 Fri 18-Oct-24 19:20:07

Thank you Wyllow for that link. It is truly shocking and disturbing.

Fleurpepper Fri 18-Oct-24 19:27:02

What do you mean Anniebach? Are you denying this?

maddyfour Fri 18-Oct-24 19:35:56

There is no doubt that fires in war are absolutely awful (as they are anywhere.)
No one likes these things happening, it’s horrendous.

Given these terrible things that are happening, why on earth will Hamas not put down their arms, release the hostages, and accept that their people have suffered enough?