Anniversary of Israeli massacre

I’m unaware of the Jews fighting the Jews ever.

Babs03

Btw of course Hamas and Hezbollah are religiously brainwashed too, which is bad enough but it scares me more when regimes/governments are the same.

They’re not brainwashed at all, they willingly agree to all that goes along with being a hamas or hezbollah operative.Money and self importance play a big part too, and of course, they hate Jews!

madalene

^It needs to be reiterated that, as far as I know, Jewish people have not formed terrorist groups in many countries around the world and perpetrated acts of terror, suicide bombings, hijacking planes etc in the name of their religion^

This.

www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

This.
Also who do you suppose assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, one of the best leaders Israel ever had, I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t a Muslim. Google it.

Babs03

madalene

It needs to be reiterated that, as far as I know, Jewish people have not formed terrorist groups in many countries around the world and perpetrated acts of terror, suicide bombings, hijacking planes etc in the name of their religion

This.

www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

This.
Also who do you suppose assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, one of the best leaders Israel ever had, I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t a Muslim. Google it.

I said as far as I know

And no, I'm not inclined to take orders from anyone on GN.
There are ways of reminding other posters in a way which is not antagonistic and sarcastic.

As far as I know, the statement was correct.

The Stern Gang operated in their own country.

@Oreo we are all brainwashed to some degree by the media, by religion, by society.
Nobody escapes. But those brought up in desperate circumstances are much more likely to become brainwashed by those whose creed is hatred and violence. I call it religion because that is what they call it.
Nobody is born a terrorist, outside influences shape how a person turns out. It is nurture not nature. And yes a hatred of Jews may be a part of it, or a hatred of Muslims. It cuts both ways.

@allira
I apologise if you see it that way am just so used to people doubting everything I say that I have to provide links or suggest they search for themselves. Admittedly this makes me a bit snippy at times but that is in general and not directed at you.

Ok, and I admit I was thinking of more modern times.
Yes, I'd heard of them and they were extremists but weren't even sure themselves what their aims were in the end.

Allira

As far as I know, the statement was correct.

The Stern Gang operated in their own country.

Most terrorists operate in their own country Annie. But usually is because somebody is occupying their own country as the British did in Palestine back in the 1930s. I could in fact call them a resistance movement.
The fact is when somebody occupies your country and refuses your basic human rights violence or resistance can occur.
I hope we can agree upon this in light of what you said.

What choice or rights did South African Black and brown people have, during Apartheid? And their leaders, like Mandela?

Netanyahu attacks Iran, then tell them not to escalate??? How does that work?

As said before, he will take us all down with him. Not the Jews, in general, but those who support him and approve of his actions in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran? If you approve, and support him- then others are entitled to strongly oppose and criticise. Nothing to do with Antisemitism- NOTHING.

It was very sobering the other day when I was driving 12 year old GD1 to an after school activity. She told me in great detail about the plans she and her friends have made for when we are at war. Who goes to which shelter, where to keep food and water supplies, what needs to be packed in a grab bag and how they will prevent their adult males from needing to go to fight.

She agrees with you Fleurpepper that Mr Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership put everyone in danger, and she has a choice word or two about Messers Putin and Trump also.

Allira

As far as I know, the statement was correct.

The Stern Gang operated in their own country.

They didn't actually have a country at the time.

Fleurpepper

Netanyahu attacks Iran, then tell them not to escalate??? How does that work?

As said before, he will take us all down with him. Not the Jews, in general, but those who support him and approve of his actions in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran? If you approve, and support him- then others are entitled to strongly oppose and criticise. Nothing to do with Antisemitism- NOTHING.

Of course it has nothing to do with antisemitism. Netanyahu's war crimes are not done in the name of the Jewish faith, like many other wars is about revenge, power, and greed.
We need to separate out antisemitism which is abhorrent and does occur, from political debate about a war that has killed over 42,000. A third of whom are children.
And I know everyone will now say that Hamas are to blame for that because they embed themselves in civilian buildings but what if they embedded themselves in an Israeli civilian building, have in fact posed this question before, so we suppose the IDF would use a bunker busting bomb on that civilian building or seek to remove the Hamas operative in other ways that would reduce the risk to civilians?

The October attacks were diabolical and inexcusable - but lets not be fooled, it was just the perfect excuse for this genocide.

The October attacks were inexcusable, but were a perfect excuse

Yes, hamas are to blame 100% and so are hezbollah.
They have brought this down on the heads of their citizens as all terrorist groups do once they run a country.
I see a great deal of ‘oh it isn’t antisemitism’ blah around this subject btw.

The Stern gang activities were confined to the 1940’s, they were extreme Zionists .
Since then it sure ain’t Jews you have to worry about.

the blame went way back - 1948, 1967 - and the constant expansion and the way Palestinians are treated in that awful apartheid regime. And yes, this is NOT antisemtism, and no 'blah', to be sure.

Anniebach

The October attacks were inexcusable, but were a perfect excuse

I know Anniebach it’s amazing isn’t it how blame can be twisted and apportioned on here.
It’s certainly a perfect excuse for something.

Certainly is amazing Oreo

Oreo

The Stern gang activities were confined to the 1940’s, they were extreme Zionists .
Since then it sure ain’t Jews you have to worry about.

Irgun and Haganah operated in Palestine from the early 1920s.

PS. If I were a Palestinian farmer living in the West Bank, I think I might be worried about Israelis.

The fact is people are understandably upset and angry about a war that is creating so many fatalities and displaced civilians, but nobody is making antisemitic remarks they are making anti-Netanyahu and his hardline cronies remarks. Hamas did something obscene on 7th October nobody is doubting that. Nobody is saying otherwise. And nobody is saying Hamas or Hezbollah are the good guys in all of this. Fact is there are no good guys in all of this. But I really can't accept that for every 42,000 fatalities - certainly more because thousands are buried under rubble - there were Hamas operatives there in every single case, indeed the IDF made a mistake when they bombed the British aid workers, there were no Hamas operatives there then, and again when they killed UN workers and hundreds of journalists.
If Hamas were to be there in every single bombing there would need to be more Hamas members than the entire population of Gaza. Can this be true?

Babs03

The fact is people are understandably upset and angry about a war that is creating so many fatalities and displaced civilians, but nobody is making antisemitic remarks they are making anti-Netanyahu and his hardline cronies remarks. Hamas did something obscene on 7th October nobody is doubting that. Nobody is saying otherwise. And nobody is saying Hamas or Hezbollah are the good guys in all of this. Fact is there are no good guys in all of this. But I really can't accept that for every 42,000 fatalities - certainly more because thousands are buried under rubble - there were Hamas operatives there in every single case, indeed the IDF made a mistake when they bombed the British aid workers, there were no Hamas operatives there then, and again when they killed UN workers and hundreds of journalists.
If Hamas were to be there in every single bombing there would need to be more Hamas members than the entire population of Gaza. Can this be true?

Hamas was and is using schools and hospitals as their military control points, deliberately maximizing civilian deaths, while they disappeared into the tunnels below.

Propaganda is their only weapon, the more martyrs the better, they deliberately sacrificed their own civilians and are continuing to this day. I’m not sure if they expected Israel to pound Gaza to rubble and kill 40000+, it must be clear now that Israel will fight to the last Palestinian.

Any normal military command would surrender, I guess Hamas isn’t normal