Anniversary of Israeli massacre

@David after the death of Yahya Sinwar which other commander are they bombing the place for? Even western leaders urged an end after that and negotiations to free the hostages.So why is the Generals Plan being undertaken in Northern Gaza?? Jeremy Bowen wrote a good piece about this a few days ago.
Is an attempt to encircle and bomb/lay seige to Northern Gaza, either killing or starving those encircled.
If you can live with that good luck to you but I find it horrifying.

Btw blaming Hamas works some of the time, but not all of the time, and then it is just plain genocide.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e82yy0wxno

Hamas is telling 40,000 to stay where they are, they will not be
allowed back

Babs03

@David after the death of Yahya Sinwar which other commander are they bombing the place for? Even western leaders urged an end after that and negotiations to free the hostages.So why is the Generals Plan being undertaken in Northern Gaza?? Jeremy Bowen wrote a good piece about this a few days ago.
Is an attempt to encircle and bomb/lay seige to Northern Gaza, either killing or starving those encircled.
If you can live with that good luck to you but I find it horrifying.

Groups of Hamas fighters continue to attack the Israelis, wherever they attack from will attract an Israeli air strike, resisting is pointless.
It’s clear that Hamas is still in control of the civilian population and prolonging the suffering, they could release the hostages and have a ceasefire, they are not interested, so the suffering will continue.
Israel has been more successful in its campaign against extremists that most expected, backed by the US they can keep it up for a long time, probably the change will come when Iran backs down and stops sponsoring terrorism, that won’t happen soon.

I just can’t believe how the murder and starvation of innocent children and families is being carried out in plain sight and tolerated by so called civilised countries.

Hamas could stop it but will not

Anniebach

Hamas is telling 40,000 to stay where they are, they will not be
allowed back

Not by Hamas, they know that the Israelis will insist upon ‘no right to return’ for Palestinians to any land grabbed by Israel, which is what they are doing with Northern Gaza. In a nutshell they will not be allowed back by Israel. Thus has happened historically.

Will wholesale death, destruction and reducing Gaza to a wasteland help Hamas to listen or will it mean that many more terrorists spring up in their wake?

Quote Babs03 Sat 26-Oct-24 21:52:28
Anniebach
Hamas is telling 40,000 to stay where they are, they will not be
allowed back
Not by Hamas, they know that the Israelis will insist upon ‘no right to return’ for Palestinians to any land grabbed by Israel, which is what they are doing with Northern Gaza. In a nutshell they will not be allowed back by Israel. Thus has happened historically.

Thank you, so BBC was so wrong

@annie the bbc are not wrong they reported what Hamas said. They know that Israel is flushing all Palestinians out of Northern Gaza so they can kill anyone left then militarise the North, fencing it off from any Palestinians trying to return.
This has been well publicised by hardliners in the government, and can be seen happening in real time on bbc and channel 4 news every night.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/26/israel-generals-plan-clear-north-gaza-palestinians

Please read this in the Guardian today about the civilians in northern Gaza we've just been discussing, and the Generals Plan:

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/26/israel-generals-plan-clear-north-gaza-palestinians

Pulling out of Gaza too early would be a big mistake for Israel, being in there and gradually reducing what’s left of hamas is the best way to both get the hostages back and finish what they intended to do, which is the collapse of hamas as a fighting force and a political one in Gaza.

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Oreo

Pulling out of Gaza too early would be a big mistake for Israel, being in there and gradually reducing what’s left of hamas is the best way to both get the hostages back and finish what they intended to do, which is the collapse of hamas as a fighting force and a political one in Gaza.

This.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation and I do not support it but two wrongs do not make a right and the tens of thousands of innocent people that Israel have slaughtered can never be justified. The number of people directly killed by Israel far exceeds those that Hamas have ever killed in all its terrorist activities.

Israel should accept Hamas runs Gaza and remain passive whilst Hamas attacks ?

The indiscriminate slaughter on this scale will be a terrible legacy for Israel and ensures their future will never be safe and secure.

With Hamas in Gaza what future ?

Farzanah

The indiscriminate slaughter on this scale will be a terrible legacy for Israel and ensures their future will never be safe and secure.

Exactly this.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/30/desmond-tutu-palestinians-israel

This is an old piece but worth a read. The fact is that Tutu and Mandela had a unique understanding of how oppression and brutalisation can lead to terrorism. The ANC was dubbed a terrorist organisation and Mandela was arrested for committing/planning terrorist acts in SA.
None of this forgives the loss of innocent lives but it should help us to see how futile Netanyahus war efforts are inasmuch as the Palestinian problem isn’t going to disappear and even if Hamas are all killed or surrender that will not make Israel any safer but rather more insecure with other groups springing up to replace Hamas. Where hatred and violence are sown a bitter harvest will result. And I doubt very much that the majority of families of those killed in Gaza will see Hamas as responsible, and whether we agree with that or not it is hardly going to lead to a people being related to take whatever crumbs Israel wants to throw throw their way once the war is over.
As Bowen says, the majority of Israelis are unaware that many in the rest of the world do not view the war as they do.

Correction - a people being happy to take whatever crumbs Israel throws them.

The only way of getting the hostages back is by negotiation and a ceasefire. The relatives of those still left in captivity know that and so do the Israeli people. However, for some their deaths are an acceptable price to pay for the opportunity for expansion of settlements into Gaza. In absolutely no way am I condoning the dreadful attack on 7/10 nor am I supporting Hamas. I am being a realist. If they want the hostages back (dead or alive) they have to negotiate with Hamas

Hamas negotiate ?