One Nation Conservatives

fancythat

From what people are saying on here, gathering from several posts, it seems to me that the non One Party Tory MPs are more in tune with Reform?

So the Conservative Party would be better off splitting itself in two? Rather than constant infighting amongst itself?
Which helps no one?

Please could you explain why you think that because it doesn't seem like that to me.

Looking at the values in Wyllow's list ... the very first statement contrasting patriotism and narrow nationalism most certainly isn't in tune with Reform.

They aren’t backing either leadership candidate , which suggests a split in the party.

growstuff

Looking at the values in Wyllow's list ... the very first statement contrasting patriotism and narrow nationalism most certainly isn't in tune with Reform.

True

There is still an element of paternalism in the Tory party, but it is tiny compared to its heyday.

It can be epitomised in The Tory Reform Group, which
declines to endorse either leadership candidate amid fears lurch to the right could split party.

Imo it would be no bad thing. The far right can then join forces with Farage and his band of weirdos, and the centre right could reform as the New Conservatives, almost certainly attracting more financial support from Tory supporters.

vegansrock

They aren’t backing either leadership candidate , which suggests a split in the party.

I think I personally would be glad.

I think it might help everyone.

Dont think it would happen though. In my opinion. Could be proved wrong!
In my opinion in life, many organisations talk about splitting. But it doesnt happen.

and the centre right could reform as the New Conservatives,

What would be the difference between them and The Labour Party?

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fancythat

^and the centre right could reform as the New Conservatives,^

What would be the difference between them and The Labour Party?

If you’ve just read the definition of one Nation Tories, you would understand the difference.

The Labour Party was formed as a result of “one nation Toryism”

There will be areas in which it would be difficult to define the difference, but in areas such as employment law, tax (generally), welfare state etc there is and always has been a clear difference.

What kind of values and agenda would you like the leader of the Conservatives to have FriedGreenTomatoes? How would he/she be different from Reform?

Thanks for asking, was just trying to formulate the same question as you posted.

Another question, and I don't want to make this personal. But I so often wonder how and why some people become so distrustful of their fellow human being, and so lacking in compassion, understanding and care.

For some, I imagine it is pure privilege and perhaps lack of contact with those less fortunate. For others perhaps, huge hardship and hurt.

If you’ve just read the definition of one Nation Tories, you would understand the difference.

Sorry, I dont.

And your next sentence confused me even further.

Fleurpepper

Thanks for asking, was just trying to formulate the same question as you posted.

Another question, and I don't want to make this personal. But I so often wonder how and why some people become so distrustful of their fellow human being, and so lacking in compassion, understanding and care.

For some, I imagine it is pure privilege and perhaps lack of contact with those less fortunate. For others perhaps, huge hardship and hurt.

I have compassion in bucket loads.

I also see what is going on around me in the U.K.

There are a lot of disgruntled people of all ages, Reform has tapped into this Labour have ignored them, and the Conservatives are torn between verging further to the right to regain the Reform voters and placating their middle of the road conservatives like myself.

GrannyGravy13 From what I've read of your posts, my guess would be that you're the epitome of a One Nation Conservative.

For those of a certain age, One Nation Tories would be people like Ted Heath, Harold Macmillan and Alex Douglas Home, basically centrists who were to the right of Labout and to the left of Mrs Thatcher. They were the sort of Tories who accepted free enterprise, lowet taxes and traditional Tory policies like a strong defence and law and order, but also were more committed to full employment, council house building, the NHS and welfare spending than their successors.

That description makes a lot of sense Cumbrianmale56.

fancythat

^If you’ve just read the definition of one Nation Tories, you would understand the difference.^

Sorry, I dont.

And your next sentence confused me even further.

Without going into a detailed explanation about the various influences on Disraeli (including his Jewishness) and how his support of a paternalistic one nation Tory philosophy was developed (not least with support from Victoria) it would almost certainly best to read around the subject.

I could go into an explanation, but it will bore everyone to death I think!

Cumbrianmale56

For those of a certain age, One Nation Tories would be people like Ted Heath, Harold Macmillan and Alex Douglas Home, basically centrists who were to the right of Labout and to the left of Mrs Thatcher. They were the sort of Tories who accepted free enterprise, lowet taxes and traditional Tory policies like a strong defence and law and order, but also were more committed to full employment, council house building, the NHS and welfare spending than their successors.

Thank you! I always tend to overthink things!

Brilliant MOnica!

I fear the One Nation Tories are out in the cold as far as the two leadership candidates and many of the Party members are concerned. Their only hope is to undermine the coming Far Right dominance under Jenrick or Badenoch to bring about another leadership election in two or three years time. A Tory party led by the Far Right can only hope to gain power by aping Farage and stirring up anti-wokeism, immigration fears, paranoia about ECHR, building yet more prisons, doubling down on Brexit, etc. We need a return to the decency of those Tories who experienced the two World Wars in close contact with ordinary men and women, Tories like Macmillan.

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Thats an agree to your last comments Growstuff.

It did look for a period that Labour might split, but as the Conservatives got into more and more difficulties the determination to find a way through differences won through.

But that really not comparable to the Conservative's current dilemmas, except to say that loyalty can be stronger than one might think.

There are a lot of disgruntled people of all ages

I help out at a Community project. I stood back yesterday and observed genuine hunger, hungry children. Parents frayed and struggling. I think its more than disgruntled and I don't think lashing out at immigrants is the way forward.