One Nation Conservatives

fancythat

That description makes a lot of sense Cumbrianmale56.

Thankyou, it's probably summed up what I and most people think in this country. Most people aren't raging right wingers or ultra lefties and want a government that is either slightly right or slightly left. We all accept free enterprise, freedom of choice and the right to make money without the government taking most of it, but there has to be decent public services and protections at work.

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

M0nica

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

I think Reform will take votes from Brexit supporting Tories and the LIb Dems could take their more centrist voters, which occurred at the last election. Also Labour could find itself losing votes to the Lib Dems, Greens and SNP if they fail to deliver.

It’s such a shame that the Tory MPs muddled their voting exercise and Mr Cleverly didn’t get to the final two. I am not a Tory but worry how this once respected political party have become so lost and dare I say it, damaged.

M0nica

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

I agree with you. My anecdotal experience is that most 'centrist' Conservative voters have already abandoned the party, either by not voting or voting for another party. I doubt if any of the people who stood to be leader would have enticed them back. Jenrick (in his current right-wing mode) or Badenoch might encourage some back from Reform, but the total still wouldn't be a threat to Labour. In any case, nearly five years is an eternity in politics.

I'm sure the fact that Labour is here for the next few years won't stop its opponents from being irritants.

Whenever one party is in power, the other is an irritant - that is how democracy works.

That is one of our democracy's weaknesses, the fact that they have to put so much effort into party politics all the way through their term of office; it must detract from the work of government.I want them to do their best for the country as a parliament, not be constantly scoring points off each other with an eye to the next elections. I'm not saying there's anything better, certainly not for the OK, I know there isn't. Maybe proportional representation & no clear majority as some countries do it, but don't think there would be an effective executive in that model.

'I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think FGT2 has written in the past that she supports Reform.'

yes, so can see no reason why a message stating this was deleted. Ah well, never mind.

I always took it in media/political speak to mean centrist Tories who accepted they had to mollify the masses with public services whilst keeping the status quo ie let's have all the money really but help out the poor a bit so they don't riot.

Maybe I'm being cynical.

Charles Dickens in his novel Hard Times referred to it as 'Bread and Circuses.'

One thing about this country's landed establishment is that it doesn't change. No matter what government is in power the real establishment are not in the least disrupted by it.

Yes I support Reform. 😁

Fleurpepper

'I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think FGT2 has written in the past that she supports Reform.'

yes, so can see no reason why a message stating this was deleted. Ah well, never mind.

I think I read your post before it got deleted. Cant remember what it said, but I didnt notice anything untoward.
Mind you, I had my first post deleted a couple of weeks ago, and have no idea why. It would be helpful to know why, else how can we "improve".

I never saw Monica's deleted post.

growstuff

M0nica

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

I agree with you. My anecdotal experience is that most 'centrist' Conservative voters have already abandoned the party, either by not voting or voting for another party. I doubt if any of the people who stood to be leader would have enticed them back. Jenrick (in his current right-wing mode) or Badenoch might encourage some back from Reform, but the total still wouldn't be a threat to Labour. In any case, nearly five years is an eternity in politics.

I'm sure the fact that Labour is here for the next few years won't stop its opponents from being irritants.

Of course there will be "irritants", should this awful Gov be allowed to get away with a free card. I should hope not. Just as Labour and it's supporters were "irritants" to the last Gov.

Freya5

growstuff

M0nica

growstuff Conservative/ Reform won't make much difference under the new leader, who ever they are.

I agree with you. My anecdotal experience is that most 'centrist' Conservative voters have already abandoned the party, either by not voting or voting for another party. I doubt if any of the people who stood to be leader would have enticed them back. Jenrick (in his current right-wing mode) or Badenoch might encourage some back from Reform, but the total still wouldn't be a threat to Labour. In any case, nearly five years is an eternity in politics.

I'm sure the fact that Labour is here for the next few years won't stop its opponents from being irritants.

Of course there will be "irritants", should this awful Gov be allowed to get away with a free card. I should hope not. Just as Labour and it's supporters were "irritants" to the last Gov.

At least the stories they came up with were genuine and serious.

fancythat

Fleurpepper

'I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think FGT2 has written in the past that she supports Reform.'

yes, so can see no reason why a message stating this was deleted. Ah well, never mind.

I think I read your post before it got deleted. Cant remember what it said, but I didnt notice anything untoward.
Mind you, I had my first post deleted a couple of weeks ago, and have no idea why. It would be helpful to know why, else how can we "improve".

I never saw Monica's deleted post.

I read both posts and have concluded that GN sometimes moves in mysterious ways. Hey ho! (I expect this post will be deleted too.)

valdali

That is one of our democracy's weaknesses, the fact that they have to put so much effort into party politics all the way through their term of office; it must detract from the work of government.I want them to do their best for the country as a parliament, not be constantly scoring points off each other with an eye to the next elections. I'm not saying there's anything better, certainly not for the OK, I know there isn't. Maybe proportional representation & no clear majority as some countries do it, but don't think there would be an effective executive in that model.

the trouble is valdali there is no agreement on what is best for the country, the Tories say creating billionaires is best as they open factories etc that provide jobs for those less well off.

Labour say that these factories, businesses often exploit workers whilst keeping huge profits that they then spend abroad, or stash offshore etc. and avoid paying tax.

I vote Labour, cos we've just seen the Tory way involves massive profits for a few and cuts to vital public services for the majority.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Yes I support Reform. 😁

Thank you for confirming this. Even if I, as made clear, totally disagree.

I don't think Labour would have been elected if they kept Jeremy Corbyn and his Momentum friends in charge. They had to move to the centre or face their party falling apart. Similarly the Tories moving to the Right to try and appeal to Reform voters won't work: those who vote Reform will vote for the real thing and moderate Tories will either abstain or vote Lib Dem.

They are Centrist. They, unlike the conservative right wing who love Farage would exclude traitors like Nigel Farage who applied for German citizenship the day after the the Brexit result and who also bet against the pound to cause it to fall because he had got inside information from Yougov that the Brexit vote would win. Reform are about Brexit lies and liars who have caused food prices to go up by £5.8 billion. Reform are like the Nazis who lied to serve their own end and destroyed the country. One Nation want people want to unite rather than play the game of divide and rule.

The Independent seem rather doom & gloom about the middle-term future of the Tories after these results (whichever they pick, same applies).Despite never voting Conservative in my life (I turned 18 in 1979 so it was a no-brainer) I don't really want this to be the case. Is it just my love of tradition? I'm sure the Liberals in 1918 didn't think that Labour could ever govern competently, and yet they've been as good as the other lot in the following century. But I dread it being a 2 party system with Reform & Labour - please, please, please go for Kendrick (which I think they will) ~& then re-elect a leader for the next election. I have such a respect for many of the Conservative politicians there have been within my lifetime. "Wets" I'd call them not one-nation, but still.

Despite never voting Conservative in my life (I turned 18 in 1979 so it was a no-brainer)

🤔 My father might have disagreed with you. He had never voted Tory in his life, always Labour, but after the disastrous premiership of James Callaghan he thought long and hard and voted Tory.

I think we'd all had enough of the Winter of Discontent, hauliers strike, hospitals blockaded, rubbish piling up in the streets, rats everywhere and even a gravediggers' strike - Crisis. What Crisis? said Callaghan. There was a vote of no confidence in Callaghan.

An idealistic 18 year old may see the world differently from a disillusioned working person with a family.

Whether events showed that was ultimately the right decision is open for debate.
At the time it was.

Winter of Discontent- oh I remember- that was Thatcher, no?

No!

That was Mr Callaghan. Thst is why Mrs Thatcher got elected because of the dreadful state the country was in.

It was the first time I'd seen a rat - in our new garden, peering at me. It was sleek and fat, feeding on the piles of rubbish dumped everywhere in the park across the road.

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.
How extremely rude of you, Maizie D, and also inaccurate.
Information sourced from a biography of Disraeli.

Realky Reform are nothing like the Nazis so no reason to go OTT.

eazybee

^You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.^
How extremely rude of you, Maizie D, and also inaccurate.
Information sourced from a biography of Disraeli.

There’s a lot of rudeness about on this thread, mainly aimed for no reason at all at FriedGreenTomatoes2