One Nation Conservatives

Cumbrianmale56

I don't think Labour would have been elected if they kept Jeremy Corbyn and his Momentum friends in charge. They had to move to the centre or face their party falling apart. Similarly the Tories moving to the Right to try and appeal to Reform voters won't work: those who vote Reform will vote for the real thing and moderate Tories will either abstain or vote Lib Dem.

I don’t think we can say anything with certainty until after the next election, some way off at this point.😄

I think if Badenoch gets in, we'll see real problems in the opposition functioning well, torn in different directions rather dramatically. Jenrick is more likely to take it cautiously.

There’s a lot of rudeness about on this thread, mainly aimed for no reason at all at FriedGreenTomatoes2

Thank you for noticing Oreo.
I was beginning to think I was paranoid.

Rudeness is not acceptable, and the reason my post was deleted. But if you openly and clearly state you support Farage and Reform, I think it is fair that it gets a reaction. So I wouldn't say 'no reason at all'.

I thanked FGT2 for being honest about it, but it is only fair that people react to this.

Declaration of values: worthy and noble, and expressing universal desires. However it sounds expensive and uk has few means to pay for these blue sky thinking ideas. Unfortunately

I see it as:

One nation "Declaration of values" (page. 1) are different from a manifesto for an election,

The first is long term where you'd like to go: the second, policy details for particular circumstances in theory within the values framework, including costings

eazybee

^You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.^
How extremely rude of you, Maizie D, and also inaccurate.
Information sourced from a biography of Disraeli.

A biography of Disraeli isn't the most authoritative resource for the history of industrial legislation of the 19th century. It's a vast topic in its own right.

MaizieD

eazybee

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.
How extremely rude of you, Maizie D, and also inaccurate.
Information sourced from a biography of Disraeli.

A biography of Disraeli isn't the most authoritative resource for the history of industrial legislation of the 19th century. It's a vast topic in its own right.

You cannot possibly know that Maizie unless you have details of which biography and who authored it. You would then need to research the academic antecedents of the author and also to study the documents referenced by the author. Only then could you make any kind of judgement of the validity of their comments on factory legislation.

M0nica

MaizieD

eazybee

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.
How extremely rude of you, Maizie D, and also inaccurate.
Information sourced from a biography of Disraeli.

A biography of Disraeli isn't the most authoritative resource for the history of industrial legislation of the 19th century. It's a vast topic in its own right.

You cannot possibly know that Maizie unless you have details of which biography and who authored it. You would then need to research the academic antecedents of the author and also to study the documents referenced by the author. Only then could you make any kind of judgement of the validity of their comments on factory legislation.

If the author gave the impression that a factory act in 1833 made everything hunky dory for child workers in the 19th century, as claimed by eazybee, then I really don't need to undertake that process, MOnica.

Realky - “inside information leave would win” That made me laugh. How on earth could anyone know? I wish people would condemn politicians for what they have done or not done instead of making things up.

Oreo

Cumbrianmale56

I don't think Labour would have been elected if they kept Jeremy Corbyn and his Momentum friends in charge. They had to move to the centre or face their party falling apart. Similarly the Tories moving to the Right to try and appeal to Reform voters won't work: those who vote Reform will vote for the real thing and moderate Tories will either abstain or vote Lib Dem.

I don’t think we can say anything with certainty until after the next election, some way off at this point.😄

Except that this is what happened in the last election. In many constituencies voters chose to vote Lib Dem rather than Labour because while they wanted the Conservatives out, they were very unwilling to vote Labour in case it ended with a Corbynite left wing government, despite the change in leadership.

In many cases Lib Dems were already in second place

The first past the post system we have in this country meant that the Labour party won lots of seats, but the proportion of votes it got rose by only 1.5%. In the meanwhile the Conservative share of the vote fell by 20%.

What is most concerning is that the proportion of voters turning out to vote has now fallen to just under 60%. The constituencies with the lowest turnout (less than 50%) were almost entirely Labour constiuencies, while those with the highest turnout, 70% and higher were constituencies where the Lib Dems were defeating Conservatives.