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Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Oct-24 07:18:42

With only 3 weeks to go, perhaps we can start to watch the shenanigans taking place in the USA.

Trump is warning America of his intention post election.

“Donald Trump has provoked an angry backlash from Democrats after calling for the US armed forces to be turned against his political adversaries when voters go to the polls at next month’s presidential election.
In comments that added further fuel to fears of an authoritarian crackdown if he recaptures the White House, the Republican nominee said the military or national guard should be deployed against opponents that he called “the enemy within” when the election takes place on 5 November.
He singled out the California congressman, Adam Schiff, who was the lead prosecutor in the ex-president’s first impeachment trial, as posing a bigger threat to a free and fair election than foreign terrorists or illegal immigrants, his usual prime target for abuse.
Trump’s comments, to Fox News in response to a question on possible election “chaos”, triggered an angry reaction from Kamala Harris’s campaign, which likened them to previous remarks that he would be a dictator “on day one” of a second presidency and his suggestions that the US constitution should be terminated to overturn the 2020 election result, which he falsely claims was stolen by Joe Biden”.

imaround Mon 04-Nov-24 23:20:29

MaizieD

Macadia

Three states in theUS have activated the National Guard soldiers as back ups to the police in case of civil unrest tomorrow. Something about burning ballot boxes. Why don't they have those boxes in a building I wonder.

So, the ballots that were burned are permanently lost. What a way to steal an election 😱

Mind you, surely those boxes must be vulnerable to being stuffed with fake ballot papers, too.

The American way of voting is truly bizarre..

Actually, no they aren't.

Every ballot has an unique identifier that the voter can use to track. The voters who used these boxes know who they are and the Secretary of State is working with them to determine if their ballot was destroyed. If it was, they will be given a new ballot or allowed to vote in person.

In my state, I get a text message when my ballot is received, when it is ready to be counted and, tomorrow, I will get a text that my ballot was counted. It is tied to my voter registration, but no one can ever see how I vote. Only what party I am registered to.

Because of the ballots being individually tracked, the likelihood of fake ballots being stuffed is minimal. Each county would know immediately if a ballot was presented that was fake. A bigger risk is having someone post a ballot that belonged to someone else. People have been caught voting for deceased relatives. But even this is minimal.

Contrary to what the Republicans would have you believe, voting in the US is secure and has been for a long time.

We have over 161,000,000 registered voters in the US. That is a lot of people to get to the polls and it could not be done in one day. We have to have ways to make it easy for the most people.

Now if we could get all 161,000,000 people to vote we wouldn't be in this mess.

Allira Mon 04-Nov-24 23:25:28

That's reassuring.

Wyllow3 Mon 04-Nov-24 23:58:08

I'm not....can't bear the idea...

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Nov-24 07:50:35

Talking to my son, who is confident that Harris will win. Then I listen to Rory Stewart who announced on trip that if he had £100,000 he would bet on a Harris win - he is so confident😡😡😡

Well that will put the kibosh on it!!

GrannyGravy13 Tue 05-Nov-24 08:03:12

If Kamala Harris wins, I wonder how Donald Trump and his supporters will react?

Whatever the outcome, I fear the next few months l.

MaizieD Tue 05-Nov-24 08:49:27

Thanks for that very illuminating and reassuring post,*imaround'

NotSpaghetti Tue 05-Nov-24 09:36:19

This popped up today - I expect some of you will have seen it no doubt. Links through from X.
I'm on my way out so haven't listened yet.
Released by Michael Wolff and James Truman.

x.com/allenanalysis/status/1852185912802762780?t=WuhGqlpKsv-CuHC1iOTk2g&s=19

Dickens Tue 05-Nov-24 10:01:09

NotSpaghetti

This popped up today - I expect some of you will have seen it no doubt. Links through from X.
I'm on my way out so haven't listened yet.
Released by Michael Wolff and James Truman.

x.com/allenanalysis/status/1852185912802762780?t=WuhGqlpKsv-CuHC1iOTk2g&s=19

Through it all, Epstein expressed genuine fear of Trump’s capacity for “anything,” while the media and political elites stayed silent.

I haven't read / listened to it all but, I have the gut feeling that for a number of Trump devotees, it won't make a blind bit of difference.

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any voters, ok? It's, like, incredible." (January 2016).

Trump may be intellectually challenged, but he has an innate understanding of his own God-like status among his supporters.

This 'bombshell' will be dismissed as fake noos or the work of his Democratic enemies who are nasty / dumb / stupid (etc), followed by vague threats of revenge.

Mt61 Tue 05-Nov-24 10:02:51

Grandmabatty

I would hope, Freya that your post was tongue in cheek, because the reality of Trump as president again is so scary. The man is nuts

There are both nuts- welcome to the zoo, that is American politics for you

Wyllow3 Tue 05-Nov-24 10:13:28

Wyllow3

I'm not....can't bear the idea...

(This was addressed to the idea that Trump will get in)

Wyllow3 Tue 05-Nov-24 10:16:23

imaround thank you for the information.

Russian agent time:
edition.cnn.com/2024/11/04/politics/fake-georgia-voting-video-russian-disinformation/index.html

Iam64 Tue 05-Nov-24 10:16:39

Mt61

Grandmabatty

I would hope, Freya that your post was tongue in cheek, because the reality of Trump as president again is so scary. The man is nuts

There are both nuts- welcome to the zoo, that is American politics for you

In what way is Kamala Harris as ‘nuts’ as Trump?

Calling America a zoo ?//

Mt61 Tue 05-Nov-24 10:47:27

When I say KH is just as nuts as DT, she can’t string a sentence together if the autocue doesn’t work.
She tells lies- one minute she’s black, next minute she’s Asian- which one is it?
Lied about Bidens health- when he clearly has some type of dementia.
A zoo to me, means something that is chaotic!

Allira Tue 05-Nov-24 11:02:23

😂

Kamala Harris is a former prosecutor and District Attorney.
I think she can string a sentence together coherently.

It's Trump whose head is in a muddle.

Allira Tue 05-Nov-24 11:06:26

Mt61

When I say KH is just as nuts as DT, she can’t string a sentence together if the autocue doesn’t work.
She tells lies- one minute she’s black, next minute she’s Asian- which one is it?
Lied about Bidens health- when he clearly has some type of dementia.
A zoo to me, means something that is chaotic!

She doesn't lie. That was, again, Trump, so if you believe a word he says 🤔

Reuters Fact Check:
Contrary to Trump statements, however, Harris has long publicly identified as both Black and South Asian American.
Kamala Harris was born to an Indian mother and a Black Jamaican father, both immigrants to the United States. The U.S. Census includes people of Jamaican heritage among racial groups considered to be Black.
Her White House biography, opens new tab says she is “the first woman, the first Black American, and the first South Asian American” to be elected Vice President.

Wyllow3 Tue 05-Nov-24 11:10:42

I'v watched several speeches where she speaks clearly, appropriately and with no autocue - you clearly haven't seen them. Look at her in the one off debate with Trump, for starters.

If that's all you can name as her "lies", compared with Trump's huge list of lies at every point, its clear who is more honest!

Trump is bitter, threatening, divisive, greatly offensive, and although Harris will criticise her opponent, she doesn't use hate language. She is a light to Trump's darkness.

Dickens Tue 05-Nov-24 11:10:50

JenniferEccle

Meanwhile, some analysts are saying the world will be a safer place with Donald Trump as President as his unpredictability makes dangerous, volatile world leaders too nervous to act.

Dangerous and volatile people are also unpredictable.

So we have a safer world dominated by dangerous, volatile, and unpredictable leaders.

What could possibly go wrong...

Wyllow3 Tue 05-Nov-24 11:17:33

Maybe that quote was intended to be tongue in cheek, Dickens, as it cant be serious. "Some Analysts" ?

Norah Tue 05-Nov-24 12:09:10

Macadia

Three states in theUS have activated the National Guard soldiers as back ups to the police in case of civil unrest tomorrow. Something about burning ballot boxes. Why don't they have those boxes in a building I wonder.

The boxes were in states that vote Democrat - Oregon and Washington (not DC). Checking last election - Oregon was 56% Biden, 40% Trump. Washington was 58% Biden, 38% Trump.

Those few votes destroyed in boxes are irrelevant - just a scare tactic. I'd imagine Americans are ready for the election to be over.

Dickens Tue 05-Nov-24 12:11:13

Wyllow3

Maybe that quote was intended to be tongue in cheek, Dickens, as it cant be serious. "Some Analysts" ?

smile

It's all a bit Mad Hatter's Tea Party isn't it?!

Dickens Tue 05-Nov-24 12:20:32

Wyllow3

I'v watched several speeches where she speaks clearly, appropriately and with no autocue - you clearly haven't seen them. Look at her in the one off debate with Trump, for starters.

If that's all you can name as her "lies", compared with Trump's huge list of lies at every point, its clear who is more honest!

Trump is bitter, threatening, divisive, greatly offensive, and although Harris will criticise her opponent, she doesn't use hate language. She is a light to Trump's darkness.

Trump is bitter, threatening, divisive, greatly offensive, and although Harris will criticise her opponent, she doesn't use hate language. She is a light to Trump's darkness.

In the vein of "greatly offensive" - some of the merchandise on offer at one particular Trump rally (there may have been others) viewed by a journalist from Euronews was tastefully emblazoned with the motif "Trump not Tramp" and "MAGA, bitch".

flump Tue 05-Nov-24 12:21:50

A report by about 230 medical professionals stated that, among other disturbing diagnoses, Trump is a malignant narcissist and unfit to be president.

He denigrates practically all of the American people and uses fear to motivate magas to vote for him. He is manic and projects his deficiencies onto other people.

There are Republicans who cannot, in all conscience, vote for him and are casting votes for Harris. He and Vance have alienated many women and hopefully the early turnout means they have voted for Harris and Walz.

Grantanow Tue 05-Nov-24 12:37:36

Ora pro nobis...

NotSpaghetti Tue 05-Nov-24 13:00:07

This is the actual Fire and Fury Trump/Epstein podcast spoken about earlier:

omny.fm/shows/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/episode-22-jeffrey-epstein-and-donald-trump

Wyllow3 Tue 05-Nov-24 15:13:57

Thank you for that!

See the difference in tone between Harris and Trump during their last day on the trail

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/video/campaign-trail-last-day-trump-harris-digvid

Do watch this short CNN video - the tone is so different - pure hatred versus positivity.