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Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Oct-24 07:18:42

With only 3 weeks to go, perhaps we can start to watch the shenanigans taking place in the USA.

Trump is warning America of his intention post election.

“Donald Trump has provoked an angry backlash from Democrats after calling for the US armed forces to be turned against his political adversaries when voters go to the polls at next month’s presidential election.
In comments that added further fuel to fears of an authoritarian crackdown if he recaptures the White House, the Republican nominee said the military or national guard should be deployed against opponents that he called “the enemy within” when the election takes place on 5 November.
He singled out the California congressman, Adam Schiff, who was the lead prosecutor in the ex-president’s first impeachment trial, as posing a bigger threat to a free and fair election than foreign terrorists or illegal immigrants, his usual prime target for abuse.
Trump’s comments, to Fox News in response to a question on possible election “chaos”, triggered an angry reaction from Kamala Harris’s campaign, which likened them to previous remarks that he would be a dictator “on day one” of a second presidency and his suggestions that the US constitution should be terminated to overturn the 2020 election result, which he falsely claims was stolen by Joe Biden”.

Nandalot Wed 16-Oct-24 19:31:25

So Trump is the father of IVF!!! How can anyone vote for him?
I have a nephew in the US. At the last election, he was vociferous in his support for Trump on Facebook. Not so this time. That gives me a little hope.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Oct-24 19:44:23

I bet an awful lot of voters are closet Trump supporters. 😁

Casdon Wed 16-Oct-24 19:58:33

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Three weeks to go and it’s too close to call.
Now who’d have even thought those words were possible at the time Biden was persuaded to step down? Media frenzy greeted Kamala those first few weeks. Now?

Now she’s maintaining a narrow lead in the polls? Summary of latest results here.
www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/10/16/trump-vs-harris-2024-polls-harris-leads-by-2-points-in-latest-survey/

Fleurpepper Wed 16-Oct-24 20:50:36

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I bet an awful lot of voters are closet Trump supporters. 😁

You would, wouldn't you?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Oct-24 21:13:15

Re polls.

In 2016 all the polls and 'experts' had Hilary nailed on to win with a 97% confidence factor. Same with polling here that failed on the 2015 general election, the 2016 Brexit referendum and the 2017 and 2019 elections.

I take my hat off to the polling companies raking in the dosh despite consistent failure. A bit like data modelling at Imperial College (Neil Ferguson).

Fleurpepper Wed 16-Oct-24 21:19:34

She did win, actually.

Macadia Thu 17-Oct-24 07:53:54

Now the US is at war.

Galaxy Thu 17-Oct-24 09:01:30

Not under the US electoral system she didnt. Obviously if you want to live in an imaginary world where Clinton was the president go for it, it's the same as those who live in the imaginary world where Corbyn won the election against May.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 17-Oct-24 09:04:51

I think Trump will win. The wheels are coming off the bus for Kamala.

petra Thu 17-Oct-24 09:25:17

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Re polls.

In 2016 all the polls and 'experts' had Hilary nailed on to win with a 97% confidence factor. Same with polling here that failed on the 2015 general election, the 2016 Brexit referendum and the 2017 and 2019 elections.

I take my hat off to the polling companies raking in the dosh despite consistent failure. A bit like data modelling at Imperial College (Neil Ferguson).

I had bets on both of those and won a nice little sum of money.
I have a bet on Trump for this election, not because I support him, just because you can see which way the wind is blowing.
Soooo many Americans are saying they had more dollars in their pockets with Trump in power.
The racist card is working against the Democrats. So many black people are angry that their vote is taken for granted, the same view from the Latino community.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 17-Oct-24 09:30:37

petra I also think Trump might win.

His propaganda machine is in full swing against Kamala Harris.

MayBee70 Thu 17-Oct-24 09:35:40

He is now odds on to win. Even after his comments about IVF sad. Up until yesterday they were neck and neck. And if Harris wins narrowly I dread to think what will happen. Civil war?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Oct-24 10:04:52

I dread to think what will happen if he does win.

Wyllow3 Thu 17-Oct-24 10:11:00

It's a parody of democracy. Elon Musk has recently donated another 75 million pounds to the Trump campaign. Elections bought and sold.

CNN reports that Trump is avoiding press interviews and any debates: no doubt under advice he doesn't come off well in them. Harris continues, facing a stiff Fox News interview.

Meanwhile Trump supporters (no doubt well paid) continue to try and "clean" up voter rolls

www.cnn.com/2024/07/29/politics/voter-rolls-ballot-challenges-true-the-vote-elections/index.html

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Police officers in Texas, senior citizens at a nursing home in Pennsylvania and people who had registered to vote at a Marine base in California.

They are among the thousands of voters whose right to cast a ballot has been needlessly challenged ahead of this November’s election by activists — many of whom have been inspired by conspiracy theories — seeking to prevent voter fraud.

“My simple right as a voter is being attacked,” said Daniel Moss, a university administrator from Denton County, Texas, whose registration was challenged by one of the activists even though he has lived in the county and voted there for about two decades. “It’s kind of un-American to do that.”

Election officials across the country have been inundated with dubious complaints about inaccurate voter rolls, which have wasted government resources and sapped taxpayer money spent reviewing lists of registered voters that officials say are already carefully maintained, a CNN investigation has found."

David49 Thu 17-Oct-24 10:35:35

Having just returned from the US my parting message was
“I hope you get a decisive result” if they don’t there will be trouble for sure, currently it’s too close to call.

They all wait for the election, we all wait for the budget.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 17-Oct-24 15:45:55

Well I really, really hope Kamala gets trounced at the election. She is an absolute danger to the American people and, possibly, the western world. You really need to hate Trump in order to vote for this turnip. Trump has already been President and the sky didn’t fall down. This “vibe” presidential candidate is laughably out of her depth.

foxie48 Thu 17-Oct-24 17:04:18

In what way is Harris a danger to her country and the Western World FGT? I can understand why Trump (narcissist, isolationist, friend of dictators, liar, misogynist and convicted felon) would be seen as a danger but Harris? I think we need some meat of that particular bone!

HousePlantQueen Thu 17-Oct-24 17:34:27

Trump is mentally ill, possible dementia. This, in addition to his convictions, history of sexual abuse, multiple bankruptcies, and my own "favourite"; mocking a disabled reporter, his lies, vicious name calling.........which of these admirable characteristics make you think Trump is a better person for president than Harris, Friedgreentomatoes?. Oh, and his admiration for Putin and Netanyahu.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 17-Oct-24 18:29:30

Just seen this, sums up the situation.

NotSpaghetti Thu 17-Oct-24 18:40:06

Cavery

Rig the election?
I guess maybe you haven't heard of Biden-Harris suing Virginia, it's own citizens by the way, for not allowing non U.S. citizens to vote, which they cannot but present administration doesn't care about that. Guess you also heard about Governor Newsom in California issuing a state law for counties not to ask for I.D. This was the whole plan with the open border here, which I might add is also against the law but present administration refuses to enforce the law. All for votes they allowed a takeover.

You are wrong.

The National Voter Registration act says states cannot remove voters from registration lists within 90 days of a federal election because this is long enough to prevent voters from being disenfranchised by being removed in error. The 90 days is known as the "Quiet Period".

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, a Republican, signed an executive order that led Virginia to violate the quiet period by doing list maintenance "as recently as late September," the Justice Department alleged. The department has also sued Alabama for violating the NVRA in recent weeks.

The Justice Department is simply enforcing a deadline for voter roll maintenance that election officials have followed for about 30 years.

And Alabama too - not just Virginia.

It seems to me that Trump supporters are the ones trying to rig things!

NotSpaghetti Thu 17-Oct-24 18:43:38

I see I'm late to the party!
Apologies!
Was just very cross.
I see this has already been said!

Aveline Thu 17-Oct-24 18:44:14

Trump is an abomination. How he's the best Republicans can come up with is astounding and speaks volumes for the collective IQ of American voters.

David49 Fri 18-Oct-24 09:53:33

It’s clearly going to be very close if anything Harris is loosing votes, from what I can gather it’s because voters in the swing states are not comfortable with the way her home state California is run.

Galaxy Fri 18-Oct-24 10:07:42

I think he might win. The Democrats seem quite anxious to me. I thought trump looked beaten a few weeks ago but I dont think thats the case now.

Wyllow3 Fri 18-Oct-24 10:38:39

Had a good look around CNN - too close to call.
Trump busy as usual with lies. I think there is going to be a lot of trouble round the election process itself.