With only 3 weeks to go, perhaps we can start to watch the shenanigans taking place in the USA.
Trump is warning America of his intention post election.
“Donald Trump has provoked an angry backlash from Democrats after calling for the US armed forces to be turned against his political adversaries when voters go to the polls at next month’s presidential election.
In comments that added further fuel to fears of an authoritarian crackdown if he recaptures the White House, the Republican nominee said the military or national guard should be deployed against opponents that he called “the enemy within” when the election takes place on 5 November.
He singled out the California congressman, Adam Schiff, who was the lead prosecutor in the ex-president’s first impeachment trial, as posing a bigger threat to a free and fair election than foreign terrorists or illegal immigrants, his usual prime target for abuse.
Trump’s comments, to Fox News in response to a question on possible election “chaos”, triggered an angry reaction from Kamala Harris’s campaign, which likened them to previous remarks that he would be a dictator “on day one” of a second presidency and his suggestions that the US constitution should be terminated to overturn the 2020 election result, which he falsely claims was stolen by Joe Biden”.
I've just listened to TRIP US, today's podcast was really interesting re why people vote for Trump. Scarramucci really knows his stuff as does CK. I think it's going to be a close call.
“Labour is sending almost 100 current and former party staff members to the US to campaign for the Democrats in swing states.
Activists from Sir Keir Starmer’s party will spend the next two-and-a-half weeks canvassing for Kamala Harris in four key battlegrounds ahead of the US election on Nov 5.
They will target Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Virginia, which are all seen as crucial to Ms Harris’ path to the White House.”
Source: today’s Telegraph
If Trump wins I think this may just bite Labour (and by definition) us in the UK on the bum.
And IF he wins, in a few months some on here will have forgotten this meddling act. And just blame Trump anyway. 🤷♀️
I'm waiting for some verify fact checks as to the story, as its only appeared so far as a "shock horror" item in the right wing press per report above.
Ludicrous headlines like GB news
"Labour staffers flood US"
What, 100 people "flood?" In a USA population of 345,426,571 people
As for "interference" well look at Elon Musks's constant attempts on X to incite the rioting in the UK in the summer, predicting"civil war".
I've no problems in principle for L party members to go over and help - I want to see the accurate T's and C's of what they'll do. They are not politicians.
Wyllow3 have just seen this.
I don't doubt that 100 are going, but it is legal in the US,
its not an official government initiative, its a group within Labour, and I don't have a problem as advisory volunteers
(To check, New York Sun says "The Federal Elections Commission confirms to The New York Sun that unpaid activity by foreigners is perfectly legal.")
It's not up in either CNN or Fox News.
(PS - go Kamala!)
It has been organised by the Head of Operations of the Labour Party
How is this nothing to do with the Labour Party?
I didn't say it had nothing to do with the Labour Party, I said it wasn't a government initiative. No politicians are going - unlike Farage and Trump.
Its no great surprise - the Labour Party has always attended Democratic Party conventions,
Just as Farage and Reform have not only courted the Republican Party but received very vocal support from Trump himself!
*Trump congratulates right-wing ally Nigel Farage on UK election win
Earlier this year, Trump sent a 60th birthday message to Farage calling him ‘a historic figure’ and ‘a prophetic leader*
Trump took to his Truth Social platform to congratulate his old friend
Congratulations to Nigel Farage on his big WIN of a Parliament Seat Amid Reform UK Election Success,” he wrote
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nigel-farage-uk-election-win-reform-us-b2574560.html
She has deleted the LinkedIn message.
I'm just debunking the myth that it's shock horror time if 100 Labour activists turn up to help, given that the far right in the UK have support and strong links with Trump.
Accept the reality of both!
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-donald-trump-richard-tice-david-lammy-reform-uk-b2616448.html
"Farage plays up links with Trump and criticises Harris’s ‘radical left’ history
Nigel Farage and his deputy Richard Tice sought to capitalise on their links with the Trump campaign at Reform UK’s party conference."
Wyllow3 capitalising on links which is something all political parties of all countries do is entirely different so sending out Party Activists to assist/canvass in another countries elections.
For the record, I am against outside activity by any country in another’s election. Look at all the hoo ha over alleged Russian interference in elections/referendums.
Exactly what I was thinking GG13.
The Russian State interference isn't in anyway comparable!
I really think the 100 helpers is storm in a teacup compared with the kinds of links which politicians make in their political contacts and deals made.
Wyllow3
The Russian State interference isn't in anyway comparable!
I really think the 100 helpers is storm in a teacup compared with the kinds of links which politicians make in their political contacts and deals made.
I can only hope you keep this opinion American Republican party loyalists come over here and help canvas for the Conservatives in our next GE.
Oops premature posting
I would be fuming and complaining to the local Conservative Party Office and HQ!
As a US citizen living in Britain it is really embarrassing and down right appalling that Trump garners so much support in the USA. It is a clear sign that education standards have fallen and that many news organizations peddle false narratives .
I only hope that the quiet supporters vote in higher numbers .
I am so happy I no longer live in the USA. It has clearly become a country that is not the one I grew up in.
I dread what would happen if Trump gets elected.
They vote for the person who resembles power. He has very little knowledge about the world and they have close to none. So they vote for a daddy rather than a mum.
GrannyGravy13
Oops premature posting
I would be fuming and complaining to the local Conservative Party Office and HQ!
High profile Tories have recently appeared at the national rally and various other events to support Donald Trump’s campaign, which is really no different - in fact it probably does more damage to the opposition than foot soldiers.
Just to clarify, I don’t agree with any involvement at all, but the pot calling the kettle black is wrong.
How would I feel if democrats came over in tiny numbers to help out with a national election? Tbh, it depends what they are doing. Office discussions on strategy not policy is what I'm assuming the 100 are for.
I think the far more problematic area nowadays are international social media influencers. They caused the riots, for goodness sake, without having to move from an armchair. Musk and others, like Tate, are accessible to anyone on social platforms.
FriedGreenTomatoes2
“Labour is sending almost 100 current and former party staff members to the US to campaign for the Democrats in swing states.
Activists from Sir Keir Starmer’s party will spend the next two-and-a-half weeks canvassing for Kamala Harris in four key battlegrounds ahead of the US election on Nov 5.
They will target Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Virginia, which are all seen as crucial to Ms Harris’ path to the White House.”
Source: today’s Telegraph
If Trump wins I think this may just bite Labour (and by definition) us in the UK on the bum.
And IF he wins, in a few months some on here will have forgotten this meddling act. And just blame Trump anyway. 🤷♀️
Just seen your comments😁I have put the same on the other thread about this, great minds think alike.
GrannyGravy13
Wyllow3 capitalising on links which is something all political parties of all countries do is entirely different so sending out Party Activists to assist/canvass in another countries elections.
For the record, I am against outside activity by any country in another’s election. Look at all the hoo ha over alleged Russian interference in elections/referendums.
Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Wyllow3
I'm waiting for some verify fact checks as to the story, as its only appeared so far as a "shock horror" item in the right wing press per report above.
Ludicrous headlines like GB news
"Labour staffers flood US"
What, 100 people "flood?" In a USA population of 345,426,571 people
As for "interference" well look at Elon Musks's constant attempts on X to incite the rioting in the UK in the summer, predicting"civil war".
I've no problems in principle for L party members to go over and help - I want to see the accurate T's and C's of what they'll do. They are not politicians.
Wyllow3
Oh come on! It’s political meddling by LP members and I’m shocked that my Party would do this!
Truly, I think it's insignificant when faced with Conservatives and Reform speak up in favour of Trump here and in the USA, and the influences of social media. I'm not shocked or surprised that some want to go over and help out. They aren't there to affect policy or purport to represent the UK.
Where was the media outrage when Brit politicians attended and spoke at Trump rallies?
Wyllow3
Truly, I think it's insignificant when faced with Conservatives and Reform speak up in favour of Trump here and in the USA, and the influences of social media. I'm not shocked or surprised that some want to go over and help out. They aren't there to affect policy or purport to represent the UK.
Where was the media outrage when Brit politicians attended and spoke at Trump rallies?
Two wrongs do not make a right!
We have to make allies of foreign politicians, but we should not go on the campaign trail for them, whatever colour the rosette is!
Wyllow3
Truly, I think it's insignificant when faced with Conservatives and Reform speak up in favour of Trump here and in the USA, and the influences of social media. I'm not shocked or surprised that some want to go over and help out. They aren't there to affect policy or purport to represent the UK.
Where was the media outrage when Brit politicians attended and spoke at Trump rallies?
You mean Farage and who else?
They aren’t the present Labour government or their staff/ activists.
Seems to me that my Party cannot get its head round the fact that they’re not just in Opposition anymore.They need to grow up, be diplomatic and not interfere in any way at all.
Back in the USA...
“Fact check: Trump, on a lying spree, made at least 40 separate false claims in two Pennsylvania speeches”
edition.cnn.com/2024/10/10/politics/fact-check-trump-pennsylvania-speeches/index.html
Worth a read. some are quite outrageous, and if people believe them....
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