Its Keir Starmer, not Kier Starmer

'A rose by any other name would smell as sweet ' .
So wrote Shakespeare .
People misspell my name all the time .
It becomes Esme or Esmee sometimes with an accent and sometimes not .
Even people who've known me for thirty years and in regular texts .
And now at church , some have reverted to calling me by my mother's name !

I spell his name Keir .
It could easily be Kier . Does it matter , that much ?
One thing , Keir doesn't smell of roses .

No, it has nothing to do with the HoL, but I understand why the comparison is being made. Those affected by the £1 increase in bus fares will be the poorest in society (not pensioners as they can still get a bus pass) who are on minimum wage or who are unable to work and live on benefits. Those in the HoL on the other hand are not poor. They are paid a handsome amount to attend each day, get subsidised food and drink ( and we’re not talking Woolies café standard food) and all their travel costs covered, so I understand exactly why the one is being compared with the other.

Ooops, wrong thread, apologies.

No, right thread

Definitely the right thread. A group of people who can claim travel expenses, living expenses, and subsidised meals and evidently in some cases a clothing allowance won’t be thinking about what impact a £1 increase, (which is a 50% increase for DD on each bus fare) will have on those who can’t claim expenses.
Rather, they belong to the Ça plane pour moi group.

It's relevant to both threads!

Most people in the HOL can apply for a bus pass .

What on earth does that have to do with whether the cap on the fares should be raised or not?

I'm waiting for Mick Jagger to be mentioned.

Most people in the HoP don’t have a bus pass, but how does that explain their lack of understanding?.

Mollygo

Most people in the HoP don’t have a bus pass, but how does that explain their lack of understanding?.

Don't they? TBH I have no idea of the figures for bus-pass holding Lords, and didn't know they even existed . I was referring to what seems to be the average age of those in the HOL, which to the naked eye looks more than old enough to qualify. What are the stats, please?

Also, in what way do the Lords not understand? Are you talking about not understanding struggles to pay fares? I didn't know they'd been asked about that. Maybe I am missing something here.

FWIW, I would be happy to pay more tax (and willingly to forego things like the WFP) to make public transport free for all age groups and reduce the number of cars on the roads. I do, however, understand why the government won't do that. After the outcry when the WFP was means-tested, they will be very careful about making concessions that may later have to be reduced.

Mollygo

Most people in the HoP don’t have a bus pass, but how does that explain their lack of understanding?.

Are you suggesting that most members of the HoP qualify for a free bus pass?

See my post above.

your post is about HoL members. I’m talking about MPs
See my post above.

Oh, I see. HoP is an unusual abbreviation, so I didn't realise.

How does not having a bus pass explain those in the House(s) of Parliament lacking in understanding, then?

Doodledog

Oh, I see. HoP is an unusual abbreviation, so I didn't realise.

How does not having a bus pass explain those in the House(s) of Parliament lacking in understanding, then?

Who needs a bus pass when you can Travel claim travel expenses?