Tommy Robinson jailed for contempt of court

I didn’t know people were restricted to only finding one person abhorrent Namsnanny? It’s quite possible to feel like that about Tommy Robinson inciting people to riot, and also about other terrorists of whatever background you know.

I'm in the middle of a very taxing Halloween project :-) so may be I'm not paying enough attention Casdon.

Where did you find the info of TR inciting rioting?

I'm not a follower of his so I'm not so up to date as some, so I could have missed it.

But he didn't get prosecuted for a hate crime or anything on Xtwitter did he?

It just seems to me that everyone seems content to be told where they are to place their condemnation and encouraged to ignore the problem right in front of them.

I blame the media they have an agenda.

What agenda do you say ‘the media’ have Namsnanny.

To unify the populous behind a point of view.

Sorry by all means ask more of me, but I may be a bit slow to answer, as I am on a Halloween dead line

What point of view?

take a second to share please?

Here’s one version of his involvement Namsnanny, there are many reports. He was in contempt of court.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-uk-riots-edl-twitter-b2591161.html

If you think that SYL deals in 'facts', then you're being taken for a fool, like the rest of his flock of followers.

Nan0

Agree that he is a politically inconvenient figure for the govt but he should not be locked up..He was not allowed to give his defence

What are you going on about? He pleaded guilty. Moreover, this case wasn't the one about not revealing his PIN number.

Namsnanny

I fail to see how some who rely on newspapers and wiki (which has long been castigated as at least a source of mis information) can talk so objectively about anything.

Believing in Free speech has been explained over and over but many only want to hear their own beliefs enshrined and echoed back to them.

We are currently being asked for calm and not to speculate about a true terrorist Axel Rudakubana.

I shall speculate to my hearts content.

This is not about free speech, which is a red herring in this case. It goes back to 2021, when he falsely accused a young Syrian refugee, who subsequently was abused. TR made a film, which he continued to show and he has admitted contempt of court. He has metaphorically put up two fingers to the law of the UK.

TR knew exactly what he was doing and has used the case to provoke a reaction to promote his "two tier" agenda. He is no victim in all this.

im elbow deep in glue casdon but a quick glance and there was no quote of his, just hnh and others saying he did or said this or that.
hnh have a well known history of lying or twisting the facts.
as i pointed out earlier nick lowels said a quite disturbing and disgusting thing, yet you still need to focus on tb.
critical thinking fwarrents more evidence than he said she said by a group paid to spread hate about tr.

swarzanegger I'll be back! poor spelling sorry.

sorry for the finger typing haha

Namsnanny

There are a lot of if's and buts.

As I said above if TR is the only person people can find to object to I shall sleep perfectly fine tonight and any other night.

It's the real terrorists that people should concentrate on.

Why anyone thinks otherwise is an anathema to me.

There are no "ifs" and "buts" in this case. TR broke the law, causing another person to suffer materially. He then continued with his behaviour and has been prosecuted for it.

Maybe you'd rather we live in a society ruled by bully boys with loud mouths!

Namsnanny

im elbow deep in glue casdon but a quick glance and there was no quote of his, just hnh and others saying he did or said this or that.
hnh have a well known history of lying or twisting the facts.
as i pointed out earlier nick lowels said a quite disturbing and disgusting thing, yet you still need to focus on tb.
critical thinking fwarrents more evidence than he said she said by a group paid to spread hate about tr.

swarzanegger I'll be back! poor spelling sorry.

sorry for the finger typing haha

I'd stop multi-tasking if I were you!

Namsnanny

I fail to see how some who rely on newspapers and wiki (which has long been castigated as at least a source of mis information) can talk so objectively about anything.

Believing in Free speech has been explained over and over but many only want to hear their own beliefs enshrined and echoed back to them.

We are currently being asked for calm and not to speculate about a true terrorist Axel Rudakubana.

I shall speculate to my hearts content.

What has this got to do with a case which originated in 2021?

Perhaps namsnanny would care to say which information in the as I said extremely well referenced article in wiki are false/in doubt before writing it off?

You blame the media but dont tell us what sources of information you are using?

That's a very good article Casdon as it directly quotes tweets not "alleges"

However I did bother to check out the Nick Lowles tweet matter, you are right to say he tweeted there had been an acid attack on a muslim woman at the height of the riots in Middlesborough. He did not accuse any individual and he did withdraw the tweet as soon as police confirmed. My opinion is that it was irresponsible but doesn't break the law.

In terms of what should result in prosecution, this is what was happening that night:

"“A mob in Middlesbrough shouted “smash the P---s” and “there ain’t no black in the Union Jack” while targeting the homes of migrants
"Cleveland Police officers arrested 43 individuals in total in connection with the incidents and a spokesman said a full investigation was underway."

(Telegraph news)

www.yahoo.com/news/hope-not-hate-boss-apologises-162745371.html

Nick lowles is unpleasant and laughable all at once. He tweeted misinformation that could have incited further trouble.
The free speech union have just made a statement in light of the information that has 'emerged' about the attacker, they are saying this may make some of the convictions unsafe (I am not talking about TR here). What I will say is they have certainly had some legal success in the past (Gender critical free speech related) so I think it may be interesting to watch.

Namsnanny

There are a lot of if's and buts.

As I said above if TR is the only person people can find to object to I shall sleep perfectly fine tonight and any other night.

It's the real terrorists that people should concentrate on.

Why anyone thinks otherwise is an anathema to me.

Add the following names to your list:

Ian Forman
Michael Piggin
Zack Davies
Sam Creighton
Marek Zakrocki
Liam Seabrook
Darren Osborne
Mikko Vehvilainen
Alexander Deakin
Connor Ward
Ethan Stables
Christopher Lythgoe
Matthew Hankinson
Jack Coulson
Austin Ross
Peter Morgan
Joel Williams
Adam Thomas
Claudia Patatas
Daniel Bogunovic
Darren Fletcher
Nathan Pryke
Steven Bishop
Shane Fletcher
Jack Renshaw
Oskar Dunn-Koczorowski
Daniel Ward
Tristan Morgan
Pawel Golaszewski
Kieran Cleary
David Dudgeon
Morgan Seales
Gabriele Longo
Jack Reed
George Fowle
Conor Southern
Alice Cutter
Mark Jones
Garry Jack
Jacek Tchorzewski
Paul Dunleavy
Filip Golan Bedaczyk
Luke Hunter
Benjamin Hannam
Robert Gregory
John Nimmo
Oliver Bel
Nicholas Brock
Michael Nugent
Dean Morrice
Andrew Dymock
Ben John
Matthew Cronjager
Connoer Burke
Matthew Henegan
Thomas Leech
David Musins
Alex Davies
Daniel Wright
Saamuel Wibley

All the above were sentenced for right-wing terrorist acts in the UK from 2014-2022.

Galaxy

Nick lowles is unpleasant and laughable all at once. He tweeted misinformation that could have incited further trouble.
The free speech union have just made a statement in light of the information that has 'emerged' about the attacker, they are saying this may make some of the convictions unsafe (I am not talking about TR here). What I will say is they have certainly had some legal success in the past (Gender critical free speech related) so I think it may be interesting to watch.

But this is a distraction from Tommy Robinson, whose case is nothing to do with free speech, unless you think it's OK to go around libelling people to stir up hatred.

better get back to your crafting. Thankfully you are not in a hotel waiting to be burned alive.

enjoy.

Yes that's exactly what I think Growstuff. Sigh.
Threads move on, the riots for example are related to TR and to free speech and to a hundred other reasons.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_London_nail_bombings

Far right terrorism

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder

Far right terrorism

Babs03 I knew the list wasn't complete. Not only that but there's been a increase in convictions since 2022. The media don't tend to cover them.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/25/zack-davies-racist-guilty-attempted-murder-dentist

Far right attempted murder

Would continue but am tired with this now, and if this isn't enough perhaps present far right extremists will be only too willing to provide doubters with more instances in the future.
The thing is not all terrorists, murderers, rapists, and pedos are foreign, we are more than able to supply our very own home grown variety.

Do you think this is an effective approach? I mean you cant can you?