Amsterdam attacks

madalene

In addition I think six million Jews murdered in WW2 has given them the impetus to say never again and they mean it.

It wasn't Arabs who were responsible for the Holocaust, but they're the targets of the vile racism.

And of course the Arab teams do similar I expect.
The Pro Palestinians who planned attacks in Amsterdam possibly weren’t even football fans or it was a mix of some who were and many who weren’t.They weren’t content with any chanting but went all out with physical attacks on the Tel Aviv fans, they didn’t even care if anyone was chanting as they went after anyone at all they thought were fans.
Probably everything has been said on this subject for now.

We can't know how far attacks would have happened that night had the Maccobi fans not acted as they did.

Maccobi fans came with plans to chant and some to attack and the world is now aware of that.

Its not just what happened after the match, its the now world wide news what they Maccobi fans said and did and has possibly inflamed matters in a manner that has not played out well for Jewish people in terms of increased incidents of anti-semitism.

Oreo

And of course the Arab teams do similar I expect.
The Pro Palestinians who planned attacks in Amsterdam possibly weren’t even football fans or it was a mix of some who were and many who weren’t.They weren’t content with any chanting but went all out with physical attacks on the Tel Aviv fans, they didn’t even care if anyone was chanting as they went after anyone at all they thought were fans.
Probably everything has been said on this subject for now.

Maybe the moral is that if you want to maintain the moral high ground, it's not a good idea to stoop to the lowest level and you've no right to claim you're a victim.

Who has stooped to the lowest level and claim to be a victim ?

An odd comment from you growstuff
I think anyone can claim to be a victim if they’re beaten and kicked.
The attacks took place by groups attacking two or three Israeli football fans at a time from what I can make out so it wasn’t a huge crowd of chanting fans at all.
Nobody on this thread has thought the chanting was ok but it didn’t warrant the violence meted out.
The attacks were planned before any chanting or the match took place.
You’re trying very hard growstuff to negate the pro Palestinian violence but it won’t wash.

And the tweets re the Jew.

Nobody on this thread has thought the chanting was ok but it didn’t warrant the violence meted out.
Indeed this. The organised violence.

If Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were ripping up stuff from the pavements to protect themselves, yet the pro Palestinian supporters came with weapons on scooters, this suggests to me that the latter were far more prepared and organised in advance. Their intent for violence was there.

The other thing, I can't remember if it has been mentioned already, is that anyone who even looked Jewish on the streets of Amsterdam that night was forced to show their passports to angry pro Palestinian gangs. That to me is very sinister and upsetting, (WW2 connotations).

It has been reported that Dutch fans were organising a ‘Jew hunt’ on social media before any Israeli fans even arrived. The taunting was well organised using scooters and taxis to trap the Israelis before Dutch fans set about kicking and stamping on them. The mayor of Amsterdam and king of Holland have apologised for the violence towards Israeli fans. It beggars belief that the Israelis organised for taxis and scooters to trap themselves. They appear to have been chanting, so were the Dutch. They burnt a Palestinian flag. Not acceptable but certainly it was being used as a provocation. It has also been reported that Jews in Holland, and more generally in Europe, are wondering where they can go to be safe.

Definitely escaped , Lily Ebert said the same and she was a
Holocaust survivor

If I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly, there appears to be a lot of posters on this site vociferously criticising the level of Israel's response to the heinous crimes carried out on its citizens last October.

Equally, there's as many posters trying to justify that some racist shouting and pulling down a flag justifies the appalling, and pre-planned attacks on Jews in Amsterdam.

How does that work then?

ferry you are reading correctly, it is deeply distressing reading

Well as regards this thread posters have mainly addressed the situation in Amsterdam. In fact doing so on request to "Stay on point", rather than discuss the overall situation. However since its been raised now

My impression is that there have been just a few posts of the sort you refer to - outright condemnation of "Israel" as such etc

However, leaving those aside, I believe there to be a number of posters who wholeheartedly support Israel's right to defend itself

but do not agree with all of the measures the current regime under Netanyahu has taken, including strong reservations about for example the gradual move into the West Bank and the refusal to let enough aid into Northern Gaza.

This is neither anti-semitic nor anti Israel, since we know that not all Israeli citizens nor international opinions agree wholeheartedly with the current regime.