Amsterdam attacks

Anyone who thinks that all Jewish people are supporters of the Israeli war should look up Miriam Margolyes on Youtube and listen to what she has to say. I gather that her views are shared by several other members of the Jewish community.

No thank you

Interesting thread from X by a Jew

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1855236028384117200.html

Another one not enchanted by Israel, it seems

Great advice here - look at some unsubstantiated ramblings of a 13 year old and listen to Miriam Margolyes.

Surprised the UN hasn't called upon them to solve the problems in the Middle East.

I don’t think uTube and X are reliable sources, and every Jew on the planet is not going agree,

Of course they're not Anniebach. Not everyone is going to agree on anything all the time and we all know that.

There ought to be a thread for those who smugly come along and proclaim

"Look here, I've found a Jew who doesn't agree..."

...as if they should get a prize or some kind of accolade for discovering that people have different opinions.

And even if the thread isn't specifically about the Israeli government's actions, they do their best to make it so.

To suit their own bigotry.

Indigo8

Anyone who thinks that all Jewish people are supporters of the Israeli war should look up Miriam Margolyes on Youtube and listen to what she has to say. I gather that her views are shared by several other members of the Jewish community.

Please please stop this notion that postures who express any sympathy towards Jewish people somehow have limited intelligence and believe all Jewish people support the war.

Miriam Margoluyes is of course, entitled to express her views. That doesn’t mean she’s right. I gather her views are shared by several other members of the Jewish community. Only several?! Don’t be naive. I can’t identify one member of my friends in ‘the Jewish community’ who support Netenyahu or his war. They do want the hostages returned and the war to stop. A close friend who lost every member of his extended family to Auschwitz, that is everyone except his parents who got out before the Nazi invasion of Krakow - lost his cousin in the October 23 murders. He doesn’t support Netenyahu but wants the hostages returned, he’s a very ‘ordinary’ British Jewish man

There is nothing bigoted about questioning the story of the events in Amsterdam which has been promoted in the media.

So do your friends believe that a mob of Israeli football supporters who cause trouble in a foreign capital are total innocents who were just minding their own business when they tore down and burned Palestinian flags, attacked a taxi driver and damaged his vehicle, failed to show respect for a one minute silence for the victims of the Spanish flooding and went on the rampage chanting anti Palestine songs, and providing themselves with weapons and attacking Dutch citizens, were completely justified? And with members of Mossad with them. The Israeli Secret Service. What were they doing there?

Any retaliation was not 'anti semitic', it was anti thugs and hooligans. The Israeli fans behaved disgracefully.

ferry23

Of course they're not Anniebach. Not everyone is going to agree on anything all the time and we all know that.

There ought to be a thread for those who smugly come along and proclaim

"Look here, I've found a Jew who doesn't agree..."

...as if they should get a prize or some kind of accolade for discovering that people have different opinions.

And even if the thread isn't specifically about the Israeli government's actions, they do their best to make it so.

To suit their own bigotry.

I think it would be rather curious to expect everyone to toe the line on a thread involving Israelis by not mentioning what is happening with the Israeli government, other threads on here generally meander in a direction dictated by those commenting and nothing is said about this with all other topics. I expect anything about the US will result in criticisms of Trump. This isn’t bigotry, is the opposite, is freedom of speech. Or are we supposed to observe sone kind of Omertà where Israeli politics is involved. Which isn’t the way of democratic governments which expect to be criticised but the way of the Mafia.

Imo it's quite proper this thread can include discussions around what's happening with the current Israeli regime - what's happening in Amsterdam is a result of it. Just as it was relevant to posters upthread who raised the issues of anti semitism on a London March, or different POV on all the events from a Jewish perspective.

Are you asking me MaizieD? I’ve not discussed it but can predict my Jewish friends are as horrified ny the behaviiur of both sets of fans as any other sensible person might be

Iam64

Are you asking me MaizieD? I’ve not discussed it but can predict my Jewish friends are as horrified ny the behaviiur of both sets of fans as any other sensible person might be

Yes, and that is good news, balance is everything, but that sadly isn't what we are seeing in the media right now with the Israeli thugs getting away with it on the grounds of it being antisemitic whilst their Islamophobic rants are to be dismissed apparently. And is true that some Palestinians planned attacks beforehand but this is nothing new with football hooligans, as someone who lived through the very worst years of such hooliganism groups like Combat 18 would also plan attacks at football matches.
Both sides behaved reprehensibly but only one side is punished whilst the other side get an apology from the King of the Netherlands and the Mayor etc.
And if saying this makes me antisemitic then that is more a sad reflection upon all of us than a reprimand. For this is being used more and more to stifle debate about the Israeli government and what is happening in Gaza and to give Israelis in general immunity and impunity when behaving badly abroad.

Oh, so it is true that pro Palestinians planned attacks beforehand on SM saying ‘let’s get the Jews!’ But it isn’t at all antiSemitic of course ( yeah right).
It doesn’t make you anti semitic Babs03 it just makes your comments unbelievably naive at best and at worst a blind refusal to see the truth and yes, very sad to see apologists for the Dutch thugs.

Jews are not just one big mass of people who all think the same and there will be as many views as from anybody else on the war.There are many Jews who won’t consider taking up arms against anyone, peaceniks and those who think the war in Gaza is a necessary evil to get rid of hamas as a fighting and a political force and a few shades of other views as well.
Those who say ‘ah but I know a Jewish couple who say….’ Remind me of those who know one Black or Asian person and take their view as the only one.It’s kind of amusing but also irritating.

MaizieD

There is nothing bigoted about questioning the story of the events in Amsterdam which has been promoted in the media.

Isn’t there tho? There’s certainly something bigoted when people choose to believe only what a Dutch 13 year old says when 65 people were arrested and 5 people ended up in hospital and the Mayor and the King apologise for the antisemitic attacks.

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

The King and the Mayor would have been fully informed, not
a 13year old boy. I believe it was antisemitism

I won't be both sidesing it. Football is usually termed sport without the weapons. Where the stakes high such as Derby and/or a cup match there is tension. The local police do a damn good job, from ensuring the rosta for leave is cleared, the cells are clean, the canteen staff are in, the command chain is briefed and overtime at the ready. The media has amplified a tension needlessly, Sky news in particular. greatreporter.com/2024/11/10/sky-news-loses-trusted-credibility-over-gross-misrepresentation-of-israel-football-fan-riot-in-amsterdam/
It should also be noted the Palestinians are a little angry and therefore feeling vulnerable as to how they are being treated by the Israeli apartheid state. Nothing to do with Anti semitism.
Martha Newson has studied football behaviour and when an underdog is under attack they will bond with each other and with a wider support base.
theconversation.com/when-football-clubs-are-less-successful-fans-are-more-loyal-to-each-other-153696
Nothing to see move on.

😂
Oh nothing to see here, unbelievable.

Yes, unbelievable

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It may have taken place within the context of footie conflict, but it was intensely political from both sides of this terrible conflict.

Yes I am a "try to see it from both sides" and both anti semitism and anti Arab/Islam events were carried out.

Levels of planning when it's called "Jew Hunt" are clearly anti semitic and I expect arrests will follow as did the riots in the UK for SM plans - I hope so. but who is carrying the costs in terms of innocents killed in Palestine and now Lebanon.

Nevertheless, as long as the current Israeli regime continues some of its policies, these protests and worse won't stop.

Yo think the attack in Amsterdam was a protest? it was antisemitism

At the moment, I think both. A combination of factors. But I hope that can be clarified as charges are brought as strong anti-semitic element.

What was "Olé, olé, let the IDF win, we will fuck the Arabs.? Protests, or Anti Islam?

It was definitely not anti semitic. Many jews appalled at was being done to the legitimate Gaza flags. If the little sh"t netanyohu thinks he can dictate protest in other countries he has another thing coming. In an ideal world yes people should not disrupt football matches. We need to address the root causes of the Amsterdam peaceful pro Gaza protests.
But Anti Israeli sentiment is not the same as anti jew hatred (which is clearly wrong), If Israel wants no protest it needs to stop occupation, disband the terror of the IDF and the cabinet needs to be charged with war crimes. All the hostages including those in the west bank and Lebanon have to be released.
Many European leaders are also deeply Islamophobic and they do not understand that Islam is a true religion of peace.