Amsterdam attacks

It definitely was anti semitic , no one here can speak for many Jews

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are renowned for being racist against their own Arab, black and foreign players, long before the current war in Gaza.This is one example from 2014:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-football-fans-shout-f-arabs-palestinian-player-maccabi-tel-aviv-1459605

escaped

^Mature debate should be able to distinguish between them.^
I understand your use of the imperative mood, but who is not having mature debate on here Whitewavemark2?

That's not the "imperative mood".

Claims in a newspaper from 2014 !

growstuff

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are renowned for being racist against their own Arab, black and foreign players, long before the current war in Gaza.This is one example from 2014:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-football-fans-shout-f-arabs-palestinian-player-maccabi-tel-aviv-1459605

So that excuses them being beaten up by the Arab Ajax fans does it? Who had planned their attacks on Jews beforehand.
Not all Tel Aviv fans are the same btw and no footie fans are saints on any side.
The perpetrators will get what’s coming to them now quite rightly from the Dutch authorities.

growstuff

escaped

Mature debate should be able to distinguish between them.
I understand your use of the imperative mood, but who is not having mature debate on here Whitewavemark2?

That's not the "imperative mood".

Do not muddle football culture with anti-semitism or Islamaphobia.

Do not muddle critics of the state or political groups with antisemitism or Islamaphobia.

Mature debate should be able to distinguish between them.

Splitting hairs growstuff. If you read the whole comment, the poster expresses commands in the two sentences immediately before. That is the imperative mood to which I was referring.

Israeli sports fans have been advised to stay away if possible from any sporting events in Britain and other European countries due to intelligence reports of planned attacks on them by pro Palestinians and terrorist supporter groups.

Allira

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

Neither the king, nor the Mayor were on the streets witnessing what was happening. Their information was second hand.

I prefer to take into account what people who actually saw and filmed the disturbances have to say.

Oreo

Israeli sports fans have been advised to stay away if possible from any sporting events in Britain and other European countries due to intelligence reports of planned attacks on them by pro Palestinians and terrorist supporter groups.

Well, that's a relief.

There is an irony going on here, which won't have passed you by if you're an avid football fan like I am, (Spurs).

Ajax in Holland has always identified itself as a Jewish football club. There's a long Jewish history associated with it, and their chant before kick off is "Jews, Jews, Jews." Genuine Israelis affiliate themselves with Ajax, which has had several Jewish managers and players on the team.
So proper Ajax fans would be unlikely to pick a fight with the visiting team from Israel. Those on the streets attacking the Jewish fans were undoubtedly rent-a-mob who came in from outside expressly for this purpose.

MaizieD

Allira

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

Neither the king, nor the Mayor were on the streets witnessing what was happening. Their information was second hand.

I prefer to take into account what people who actually saw and filmed the disturbances have to say.

I prefer to take into account sophisticated cctv from a control room which observes through 100s of strategically placed cameras, positioned all over the city, than one 13 year old commentator and his camera boy!

MaizieD

Oreo

Israeli sports fans have been advised to stay away if possible from any sporting events in Britain and other European countries due to intelligence reports of planned attacks on them by pro Palestinians and terrorist supporter groups.

Well, that's a relief.

It will be a relief to Israeli Jews not to travel anywhere just to be attacked, yes!

MaizieD

Allira

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

Neither the king, nor the Mayor were on the streets witnessing what was happening. Their information was second hand.

I prefer to take into account what people who actually saw and filmed the disturbances have to say.

Like a 13 year old kid, yes we know, you said.

It may have started out as football hooliganism, but it definitely ended up as antisemitism!

Not forgetting Islamophobia too presumably

silverlining48

Not forgetting Islamophobia too presumably

When the day comes that Muslim sports fans are advised to stay away from countries in Europe as Jewish groups are planning to beat the c**p out of them if they set foot there, then yes.

Oreo 👏👏👏

Wyllow3

It may have taken place within the context of footie conflict, but it was intensely political from both sides of this terrible conflict.

Yes I am a "try to see it from both sides" and both anti semitism and anti Arab/Islam events were carried out.

Levels of planning when it's called "Jew Hunt" are clearly anti semitic and I expect arrests will follow as did the riots in the UK for SM plans - I hope so. but who is carrying the costs in terms of innocents killed in Palestine and now Lebanon.

Nevertheless, as long as the current Israeli regime continues some of its policies, these protests and worse won't stop.

Disband Hamas. Problem solved.

Many Muslims stay away from football matches due to far right groups targeting them. Muslims in general attract Islamophobia is increasing in most western countries, and often conflated with immigration issues.
Antisemitism is awful, but to assume Muslims get a cushy number with regard to anything really isn’t reading the room right now.

silverlining48

Not forgetting Islamophobia too presumably

We can't ignore the Wednesday night incidents tearing down the flag and attack on the taxi driver, nor the very provocative

"Olé, olé, let the IDF win, we will fuck the Arabs" early evening

from massed Maccabi fans before the attacks in the city later Thursday night.

I read up on Ajax's history after your post, Escaped - it's certainly significant - thank you - it makes for example the Maccabi fans refusal to observe the one minutes silence for Spain all the more confusing.

Except to perhaps observe that current hostilities overrode these historic connections?

That the younger generation Maccabi fans were not aware? And makes all the events more sad than ever.

I'd certainly like to know about the backgrounds of the Wednesday night attackers, if any were angry footie supporters or all arrived for ant semitic rioting, who they were. Were these anti semitic rioters "pro-palestinian" or far right (yes Denmark has had a recent rise in that this year) or thugs looking for a fight at all costs?

Sorry typos there, but you get my drift.

Well said Wyllow.
The danger is that always taking the side of Israelis in these situations will inflame matters even more.
There should have been condemnation of both sides and not the singling out of Palestinians making antisemitic remarks when Israeli supporters were doing the same right back.
Is like giving one side preferential immunity/impunity whilst the other side has to suck it up.

Its not come “out of the blue”

‘Denmark records highest number of antisemitic incidents since WWII, part of a grim European trend” Feb 2024.

www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/denmark-records-highest-number-of-antisemitic-incidents-since-wwii-part-of-a-grim-european-trend

The Nordic Resistance Movement is active in Denmark.
“The Nordic Resistance Movement, or NMR, is a neo-Nazi organisation originally founded in Sweden that is openly anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant and anti-gay. Their goal is to create an ethnically pure pan-Nordic nation, according to the group’s website, and to deport most non-ethnic Northern European residents and dismantle the “global Zionist elite”.

www.euronews.com/2018/08/25/-most-radical-organisation-neo-nazi-group-seeks-to-gain-ground-in-nordic-countries

I hope and expect the authorities will come down hard on the rioters and investigations find out and prosecute those who spread the violence online.

Perhaps the Dutch authorities could show that they have detained both Palestinian/Dutch thugs and Israeli thugs. And not just let the Israelis involved fly back on one of Netanyahus rescue flights.
This would be a good gesture right now.
But I suspect cannot be done due to only one group of thugs facing convictions.

Todays report of what happened to the 62 arrested doesn't reflect the levels of violence but it appears that lack of direct evidence against individuals is hard to establish

"Halsema and the heads of the Dutch police and prosecution said at a press conference on Friday that violence by “rioters and criminals” aimed at some of the 2,600 “Jewish Israeli visitors” had left five people in hospital and 20 to 30 with minor injuries. There were reports of fireworks set off, people being thrown into canals and some Maccabi supporters being asked for identity documents in order to be allowed back to their hotels."

But
"According to the prosecution service, there are four suspects still in custody, including two under-18s, “suspected of having used open violence during the riots last Thursday” and due before the magistrate this week."

"Of the 62 arrested, “around 40” are suspected of public disorder and were fined and released. Ten were suspected of insult, vandalism or possession of illegal fireworks and have been released but are still suspects. Of another 10, four have been fined for minor offences including insult, resisting police, not showing ID and two charges were dismissed owing to lack of evidence."