Putin lowers the nuclear threshold, as longrange missiles start to hit further inland

This is Willy-Waving of the most lethal kind.

Why do men in positions of power resort to deliberately pushing things to a cliff edge? It's ego and pride isn't it?

All this "I'm not backing down until he backs down, so there!" stuff, played out by Putin/Stalin, Biden, North Korea, China, throw MadMan Trump into the mix and we have a perfect storm.

Why do men act like Lemmings when they get power? Are they genetically programmed to only destroy?

In Feb 2022 Ukraine hit arms depots, military installations and oil refineries.
The little mas response to this was:
no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our ( my) country will lead to defeat and horrible consequences
Blah blah blah.
Empty threats.

I doubt the new missiles are going to be decisive for Ukraine, and Russia will continue his attacks on Ukraine without serious escalation.
The real change will come in January when Trump is president US policy will change - for better or worse, we will know then the future for Ukraine.

Heathen414

The Russian Foreign Minister said today that their nuclear doctrine allows nukes to be used against a non nuclear power which is supported by a nuclear power. Clearly refers to Ukraine and US. I see this as a final warning. Continued firing of ATACMS into Russia will see tactical nukes used against the areas launching the missiles.

I would think it's a warning to any NATO not just USA

*NATO country

Like others I believe there's little point worrying about this. Enjoy today as that's all we have. We have no power so can do nothing. We have been on the brink several times since the last World War and have pulled back. Let's hope this will be another time.

POTUS Biden has now said he will supply and authorise the use of Landmines by Ukraine, he has asked for assurances that they will not be used in civilian areas

I am appalled at this latest decision.

Me too, for humanitarian reasons. It is worth noting

Russia has been using them them throughout the war in civilian areas

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/ukraine-russia-investigate-use-of-anti-personnel-mines-left-after-russian-occupation-as-possible-war-crimes/

Can't agree with "like for like" tho even if the Ukraine do avoid "civilian areas".

Wyllow3

Me too, for humanitarian reasons. It is worth noting

Russia has been using them them throughout the war in civilian areas

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/ukraine-russia-investigate-use-of-anti-personnel-mines-left-after-russian-occupation-as-possible-war-crimes/

Can't agree with "like for like" tho even if the Ukraine do avoid "civilian areas".

These land mines are a different breed. They die after 2 weeks.
I agree with like for like Your dealing with a bully. You don’t turn the other cheek with bullies. You smack them as hard ( or harder) than they smack you.

'You don’t turn the other cheek with bullies. You smack them as hard ( or harder) than they smack you.'

and how does that work, in the nuclear missiles in the hand a multiple madmen in the world???

When a new president is elected why isn't the outgoing one removed from office immediately to avoid this type of thing?

Putin is threatening to use battlefield type nuclear missiles not nuclear bombs that decimate a country.

nanna8

I think Biden is a dangerous man who has brought us to the brink of World War 3. He has poked the bear and we will all suffer the consequences. You can rail and complain about Trump all you like but he wouldn’t have done this.

Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yes this is my opinion - Biden/Harris wish to cause as much trouble and mess before they go! Typical equivalent of Labour in this country too. Labour realise it is doubtful they will last their full term. Hence, they wish to cause as much trouble and mess as possible.

The bear isn’t what it used to be, as witnessed by not even taking back Ukraine in two years, emptying the prisons to use crims as soldiers and begging for North Korean help.

If he wanted to use them Putin would have done so. He knows he can't, so this is a strategy to save face and keep land. He should have been stopped years ago and if Biden suceeds in bringing this horrible war to an end before Trump takes over then well done to him!

I don’t like Trump but he’s not a warmonger.

Biden is no more a warmonger than the whole of all of us in NATO who have supported Ukraine with arms and tactical support since the beginning with arms, and taking refugees into our homes. Cross party support from the beginning with no reservations from the UK.

Skydancer

I don’t like Trump but he’s not a warmonger.

I’ll second that, the latest missiles will make it more difficult for Russia for sure, I would expect him to dig in and hold the line for now, instead of taking more land. He will keep bombing Ukraine when he can, I don’t think he has the weapons to match those that “could” be supplied to Ukraine if NATO wished.

Just what Trumps line is going to be is far from clear, during his term the Ukraine war will end, he will want to take credit for that.

Appeaser then? He does nothing if it has no business opportunity in it- also he's very happy when people are doing just as he likes, a bit like Putin really... who is no appeaser but a war mongerer, killer and murderer.

Sometimes I judge people by their friends...

Trump has every intention of keeping the USA at the same or higher levels of military power.

Without doubt he will continue to supply Israel with arms and be prepared to intervene in other parts of the world - if he feels the USA is under threat.

The major change in US policy that both Trump and Biden have followed is the end of sending large numbers of troops to fight wars as in "feet on the ground" as in Iraq, Afghanistan.

Instead they are "war-mongering" - if we want to use this term by proxy.

The point about Ukraine/Russia is that it is not an immediate threat to the USA so in Trumps mind - so why pay? but if Iran remains a threat and it allies with Putin then? And the North Korean alliance with Russia?

The change in regime away from NATO (although I doubt that the USA will want to withdraw wholesale from all the bases it has in many parts of the world)

is now what we are facing in Europe.

I think Biden (and, btw, the rest of NATO) intention is to halt Russian progress and weaken it at any negotiating table.

I've had in mind to post this article for some time because it outlines complexities ahead in relationship to Trump being able to "solve in a day". It's quite a read but does show how intransigent both Russia and Ukraine will be to losing/gaining chunks of Ukraine as well as Putin's demand that Ukraine have alliances with NATO/Europe.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ascendant-ukraine-eyes-contours-trump-peace-deal-2024-11-20/

correct last sentence "as well as Putin's demand that Ukraine have no alliances with NATO/Europe

What an idiot Biden is. Did he think this would end his presidency in a blaze of glory.
Quite the opposite I think.
Lets hope this does not provokes Putin too far.

GrannyGravy13

Macadia

Trump said he will stop this but how? Just another lie? Or is their hope?

I am not a fan of POTUS Trump, but I do have more faith in him negotiating with Putin to stop any escalation than I have in POTUS Biden.

You must be joking!

You have the right to your opinion, but how can you believe that Trump has the power of persuasion to stop Putin`?

Only a resounding victory to Ukraine and the retaining of all areas, including Crimea, that Putin wants will stop him.

I think the USA sending land mines to Ukraine is VERY distressing!!

They are a weapon that the international community has long condemned because of its danger to innocent civilians. And it reflects another in a long line of American policy shifts on the controversial issue in the past 30 years.