Oh Mr Starmer … could things be any worse only 4 months in?

So, what might ordinary working people lose their jobs?
I'm not being facetious, it's a genuine question?

Well Starmer is back in the UK now. Perhaps he will engage with us all on some of the points. Mind you, he legged it out of a back door after a speech recently rather than answer some questions that farmers wanted to put to him. Not a good look.
I don’t think he feels comfortable talking to the general public unless he’s behind a podium.

I agree with OPs last sentence of her critical post that 4 months is too early to judge and yes Labour do need more time. Any new government would. Especially with the mess it has been left with.

The election was July, just a few weeks before parliament closed for the long summer break, until the end of September, so it’s not 4 full months, more like 4 weeks.

I only need to remember the last 14 years of ineffective Tory government to remind me that things can and must get better.

MissAdventure

Didn't he work on a farm, then?

Well he's certainly milking it if he did!

I’m a Tory voter who defected to Labour.

For all of a day. 😩

Imo Starmer has been busy rebuilding this countries relationships with other countries; something that was somewhat sidelined by the previous government as they were too preoccupied with constant infighting and leadership elections.

So, what might ordinary working people lose their jobs?
I'm not being facetious, it's a genuine question?

The very fact that you have to ask, as a genuine question or not, tells me all I need to know. How depressing.

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MissAdventure

Didn't he work on a farm, then?

Well he's certainly milking it if he did!

In the run up to the election I thought he said something like he used to pick stones off fields for a local farmer.

I thought that was a porkie because I remember my Dad telling me that unemployed men were made to pick stones and that was in the 1920s.

Well, until or if anyone can prove that's a lie, then I don't think it means much.

4 months is very early days.

If a week is a long time in politics, four months is more than enough time to reassure voters they’ve put their X in the right box.
Not have them wondering what the heck they’ve let themselves in for.

I can't see anything here that makes e feel that way.
Nobody has come up with anything definite.

MissA it is reasonable to assume that next year, after the increased NI contributions for employers is implemented, that people will lose their jobs, or through natural wastage, there will be fewer jobs available. If you then include the increase in the minimum wage, something I wholeheartedly agree with, the additional costs to employers will be substantial, and a number of big employers have already indicated that there will be fewer jobs.

So to answer your question, it seems very likely that there will be fewer jobs next year. But until it happens, we won’t know for sure.

I can’t think of anything good since Labour got in. It is miserable, depressing and the future looks very bleak.

madalene

MissA it is reasonable to assume that next year, after the increased NI contributions for employers is implemented, that people will lose their jobs, or through natural wastage, there will be fewer jobs available. If you then include the increase in the minimum wage, something I wholeheartedly agree with, the additional costs to employers will be substantial, and a number of big employers have already indicated that there will be fewer jobs.

So to answer your question, it seems very likely that there will be fewer jobs next year. But until it happens, we won’t know for sure.

Thank you.
I don't see the moral problem with increasing the minimum wage, but I understand it could impact thing negatively.

Not yet, though, so...

Unless the government decide to exclude care homes, care agencies, GP practices, hospices and pharmacies from the increase in employers NI expect it to take longer to get a GP appointment, more difficult to get home care or indeed find a place in a care home.

Pharmacies are already closing, that will increase. Charity organisations are also looking at staff redundancies. Hospices are run in a shoe string and charity as it is, how will they cope.

Remember Labour we’re going to fix these…

We’re 🤬 should be were!

My iPad and I are going to fall out very soon 🤬

I only read today that Starmer is on course to be the worst PM ever in his first few months.

He is a huge disappointment to so many people.

It’s the employers increased NI contributions I have a problem with, because I think it’s likely to lead to job losses in all fields.

I don’t have any problem with the increase in minimum wage, in fact I support it. The increase in employers NI contributions is said to be the one which will cause job losses.

I think the NHS, care homes, GP Practices, and hospices should be exempt. It’s a tax on care and is unjustifiable.

madalene the NHS and rest of the public sector are exempt from the NI increase.

Like you I think all Health care/providers should be exempt from the increase.

Millie22

I only read today that Starmer is on course to be the worst PM ever in his first few months.

He is a huge disappointment to so many people.

I heard that too and it’s absolutely true. I have several friends who are not really interested in politics at all but they thought they would vote Labour this time because they promised so much. They are bitterly disappointed and wish they hadn’t bothered.

I don't believe that job security should depend on staff working their bums off for little pay.
That isn't a help, long term.

I'm listening to a podcast about Margaret Thatcher, she had a very rough ride at times, especially at the start of her time as PM. She was despised by many, including members of her own party. Do you remember the Thatcher milk snatcher when she was Education Minister? However, she managed 10 years as PM and 14 or so years as leader of the Conservatives and she is still, for some, seen as a very successful PM (not by me, I must add) hence I'm unwilling to judge KS on the basis of four months in office.

MissAdventure

I don't believe that job security should depend on staff working their bums off for little pay.
That isn't a help, long term.

We have always paid above minimum wage.

What will hit us and many other establishments with part-time workers is reducing the starting rate of employers NI down to £5000.

GrannyGravy13

madalene the NHS and rest of the public sector are exempt from the NI increase.

Like you I think all Health care/providers should be exempt from the increase.

Thank you.
I didn’t know that.

madalene

GrannyGravy13

madalene the NHS and rest of the public sector are exempt from the NI increase.

Like you I think all Health care/providers should be exempt from the increase.

Thank you.
I didn’t know that.

As GP’s private enterprises, they and their practices are not exempt.