Netanyahu crimes

ICC Warrants open the door for a Western arms embargo on Israel.
This heading from Haaretz.

I think Netanyahu's response in Gaza was disproportionate, just as I think the gradual taking of territory currently happening in the West Bank indefensible.

Note: the ICC are issuing warrants for Hamas for the Israel attacks

www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/icc-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-and-hamas-officials-for-war-crimes

@madalene
Nobody is trying to prevent Netanyahu he
Does as he pleases, as we all can see.
And let’s not muddy the waters with regard to a debate on politics and war by saying is about antisemitism, that is just an attempt to shut down the debate.
I don’t dislike Netanyahu because he is Jewish just as I don’t dislike Putin because he is Russian. I couldn’t give a monkeys what religion or race a person is but I do care about war crimes whoever is committing them.

madalene

Oreo
My father fought in the last push into Germany in WW2. Many towns and cities were all but annihilated during that push in 1945. Untold numbers of people died, many civilians, and women and children. In places such as Hamburg, thousands were burnt alive. No one said though, that the allies should be put on trial because it was thought that the end justified the means, which was the defeat of fascism. Instead those who started the war were put on trial, quite rightly.

People don’t like Netanyahu because he’s considered right wing. I know nothing of Israeli politics and I don’t pretend to know. But I know what started this horrible war and just like Putin, the perpetrators need to be brought to account. But world wide antisemitism and dislike of Netanyahu is conspiring to prevent this.

Exactly.
Added to that hamas are a terrorist organisation but were also the recognised government of Gaza whose political leaders planned the massacre on October 7th last year.That’s why Israel was able to go after them in Gaza and tho they tried to hide in tunnels and still do, also in hospitals, the IDF have done what they had to in order to kill or take prisoners.
The time is coming when peace can be declared but it isn’t quite there yet.
Israel has done a great job in Lebanon in getting rid of Hezbollah leaders and the same with hamas and yes, they are defanged now up to a point but we can’t know when the best time for a truce is and it’s important to realise that it’s only come to be near the time for a truce in Lebanon and for the Hezbollah missiles into Israel to stop because the IDF have been able to demoralise them.

'The time is coming when peace can be declared but it isn’t quite there yet.'

what will it take? Until not a single Palestinian is left, and all the land taken by Israel.

When hamas stop popping in and out of tunnels to attack IDF soldiers I should think.

Oreo

When hamas stop popping in and out of tunnels to attack IDF soldiers I should think.

That needs dialogue Oreo and a ceasefire so hostages could be released but Netanyahu refused to attend peace talks in Cairo, resulting in widespread outrage in Israel and within the government, as well as with the hostages loved ones of course.

Oreo

When hamas stop popping in and out of tunnels to attack IDF soldiers I should think.

You do realise the IDF are in a foreign country, attacking the citizens of that country, as well as bombing the hell out of civilians!

Are they not allowed to defend their own country and people against an attacking army which has killed more than 40.000 of them, mostly civilians.

Talking of terrorists there Fleurpepper aren’t you.

Hamas only care about their own group and themselves.

@Fleurpepper,
Same goes for Lebanon, Syria, Yemen.
But it seems only Israel has the right to defend itself, indeed Israel has all the rights and is loathed to award them to anyone else.

Oreo

Talking of terrorists there Fleurpepper aren’t you.

And so are you.

Oreo

Hamas only care about their own group and themselves.

No matter who or what Hamas are Netanyahu needs to enter into dialogue at some point. The majority think that point was several weeks ago.
Until that happens the number of civilians in Gaza killed will keep climbing towards 50,000 and there is less chance of recovering the hostages.
Imagine how the families of the hostages must feel, if Netanyahu had entered into talks in Cairo several weeks ago some of them would now have their loved ones back at home. These families do not support Bibi.

Imagine how families of the victims of the Holocaust feel

Anniebach

Imagine how families of the victims of the Holocaust feel

I cannot imagine. But I can assume that their feelings are the same as the feelings of families who have lost loved ones in Gaza.
There can be no difference.

The actions of Israel have not resulted in the return of hostages but just the slaughter of children and adults.

Anniebach

Imagine how families of the victims of the Holocaust feel

You'd be surprised, I know, that a very large number at totally distraught about what is happening in Gaza 'in their name'.

Many despise Netanyahu and what has been done to the people of Gaza, mostly civilians, women, elderly, children.
Many say that the holocaust is being totally misused here, in order to excuse what is happening today. Many say, as has been said above, that he had all the intelligence and necessary surveillance and sophisticated equipment to stop the attack on the 7th of October- but chose to ignore and delay.

Macadia

Bernie Sandars: "If the world does not uphold international law, we will descend into further barbarism,"

Exactly this and we can't work on the basis of we will arrest if it is someone we don't like but turn a blind eye if they are friends. The warrants have been issued and they should be used if he chooses to travel. Then the process is used to establish guilt or innocence.

Anniebach

Imagine how families of the victims of the Holocaust feel

The people of Gaza, and indeed Palestinians in general, have nothing to do with the Holocaust.

I didn’t say they had anything to do with the Holocaust

mum2three They say they know where the terrorists groups are hiding, so I would have thought infiltration and assassination would have been more effective and avoided all those innocent civilian deaths.

Tragically the terrorists use the general population as human shields and hide in or beneath hospitals, schools, etc.

It would be helpful not to get bogged down with talk of the holocaust or antisemitism when we are discussing geopolitics and the actions of a political leader - Netanyahu.

^ Untold numbers of people died, many civilians, and women and children. In places such as Hamburg, thousands were burnt alive. No one said though, that the allies should be put on trial because it was thought that the end justified the means, which was the defeat of fascism.^

I would have hoped that we would have moved on from condoning mass slaughter 80 years on...

Anniebach

I didn’t say they had anything to do with the Holocaust

Well what have they got to do with it then? It seems like saying Holocaust or Antisemitism is something that means Netanyahu can do whatever he likes, however horrific, and no one is allowed to say enough now.

No theworriedwell, but they had a great deal to do with the brutal slaughter of nearly 1200 Israeli civilians, the gang raping of many young women, who were then finished off with a bullet to the head, and the tying together of entire families and burning them alive. They also had a great deal to do with the spitting on the corpses of violated young women, and the cheering on of Hamas whilst jeering at the hostages.

What you think would happen? I’m not surprised by the actions of Israel, although much of the death and destruction could have been avoided if Hamas had handed back the hostages, instead of executing them when it was thought they may have been liberated.

No one wants to see pictures of children on their screens, who have lost limbs, or parents who have lost children. Hamas caused this. You are blaming the wrong people. And some even repeating the lies that the Israeli government knew in advance about the 07/10 attack, and did nothing to stop them. (I wonder how they would have stopped them, no doubt whatever they did they would have been criticised.)