Netanyahu crimes

MaizieD

^ Untold numbers of people died, many civilians, and women and children. In places such as Hamburg, thousands were burnt alive. No one said though, that the allies should be put on trial because it was thought that the end justified the means, which was the defeat of fascism.^

I would have hoped that we would have moved on from condoning mass slaughter 80 years on...

What’s that supposed to mean?

Are you saying that the allies should not have fought the war to its conclusion?

That’s what it sounds like!

Just to clear up any confusion, just this moment looking at the news section on my iPad, and the SkyNews headline reads;

Downing Steet indicates Netanyahu would be arrested in UK after ICC warrant.

So it is as I said on this thread this morning, although of course it was disputed.

Madalene, Hamas can’t just hand over the hostages without a negotiated ceasefire, without one the hostages would be shot or bombed before reaching safety, I mean have you seen Gaza? Is just crater after crater and constant bombardment.
So is not possible fir Hamas to do this. That is why both Hamas and Hezbollah agreed to peace talks in Cairo to discuss the release of hostages. Netanyahu refused to attend.
Look it is ok to critisize Netanyahu, many in Israel do, and a better Israeli PM would have got round the table to negotiate. Yitzhak Rabin would have done this.

Yitsak Rabin Israeli PM would have, had he not been assassinated by an Israeli who hated the fact that Rabin wanted peace.
As I recall.

Netanyahu leader of Likud party at the time, was heavily critical of Rabin because he had agreed the peace accord in Norway.

Netanyahu has never wanted peace…

madalene

MaizieD

^ Untold numbers of people died, many civilians, and women and children. In places such as Hamburg, thousands were burnt alive. No one said though, that the allies should be put on trial because it was thought that the end justified the means, which was the defeat of fascism.^

I would have hoped that we would have moved on from condoning mass slaughter 80 years on...

What’s that supposed to mean?

Are you saying that the allies should not have fought the war to its conclusion?

That’s what it sounds like!

It doesn't mean that at all.

There are many things that happened 80 years ago which we no longer, as a society, approve of. We don't execute murderers, we don't label children as 'defective' because they have physiological or neurological difficulties which make the different from a perceived 'norm'. We don't condone the deliberate killing of non combatants in wars (well, I thought we don't)

The Holocaust was an appalling act of deliberate genocide on a huge scale and we said 'never again'. But similar genocides have been carried out in countries world wide since WW2, albeit on a smaller scale and we didn't condone any of them. But now people seem to be actually defending genocide because it is the Israelis who are doing it. It seems we haven't moved on after all.

I won't make the comparison which comes to my mind.

silverlining48

Yitsak Rabin Israeli PM would have, had he not been assassinated by an Israeli who hated the fact that Rabin wanted peace.
As I recall.

Very true I’m afraid.
😣

Many things that happened in the second world war would be labelled as genocide I expect, the London Blitz bombed by Germany, the bombing of Dresden by us and so on and so forth.
War is war and many things would happen again that ‘society doesn’t approve of’.
Sometimes it’s necessary.

Hamas underestimated Israel and are reaping the consequences now, as are the people in Gaza sadly.

Still going round in circles on these kind of threads tho, with those who support Israel and those who don’t.🤷🏼‍♀️

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madalene

I think you need to be very careful Maizie.

Which is why I can’t say what I think of Netanyahu. The slightest criticism of him is regarded as anti semitism.

Not at all Maybee, you can say whatever you like about Netanyahu. But no one can break guidelines by veiled comments about other posters.

Israel has not set out to kill, they are defending their country, following a horrific attack by Hamas

Nobody is having a go at Israel they are having a go at Netanyahu. Israel had a right to respond to the brutal attacks on Oct 7th, nobody doubted that. There is, however, a point when a leader has to say 'enough is enough', and that point was reached weeks ago when both Hamas and Hezbollah had been defanged and Netanyahu could claim victory whilst calling for a ceasefire and negotiating the release of the hostages.
Now he is just intent upon committing genocide and claiming Northern Gaza.
A good PM in Israel would have put the hostages first and negotiated a ceasefire, as well as not committing the war crimes that Netanyahu has committed.

Because this regime are gradually occupying the West Bank, and look set to never let go of Gaza, certainly permanently controlling the north of it, I believe he does wish to take over the whole area, and that he is doing more than defending Israel, and that his intention is that there will not be a Palestine. I dont find this acceptable.

Hamas are still in Gaza,

madalene

Not at all Maybee, you can say whatever you like about Netanyahu. But no one can break guidelines by veiled comments about other posters.

Oh, you're playing that game again, are you?

Well, I can assure you that nothing I wrote is a 'veiled comment' about you.

Of course. whether or not the mods believe that is a different matter.

And supporters of the current regime are still illegally occupying the West Bank, bit by bit.

Wyllow3

And supporters of the current regime are still illegally occupying the West Bank, bit by bit.

Nothing is ever said about illegal occupations Wyllow, which is a real shame because it is very much part and parcel of the unrest in that part of the world. Taking somebodies land by force is never going to end well.

I do seriously believe that Netanyahu is empire building in Gaza and the West Bank, ethnically cleansing the areas so that Israelis can live there.
This isn't just conjecture, it is happening in real time in front of all of us.
We have seen this and cannot unsee it. Some can bury their heads in the sand but will only find the mass graves of Gazans there.
We know what is happening and yet we try to justify it with the magical word 'Hamas', the forgive-all, whilst knowing that Hamas is now depleted and ready to talk, and also are not in the West Bank, so go figure?!

A UK rabbi called James O'Brien this morning. Worth listening to

youtu.be/gJYHyIGaqA4?si=v2QaNuQBxmKcAK0O

A real must-listen - carefully, because he actually covers key issues, includes the historical that we allude to in here, he covers the way the media is manipulated, he covers the joint attempts to make peace, and lots more.

MaizieD

A UK rabbi called James O'Brien this morning. Worth listening to

youtu.be/gJYHyIGaqA4?si=v2QaNuQBxmKcAK0O

I read that as the rabbi was called James O'Brien and I thought that was an unusual name for a rabbi although thinking about it why shouldn't a rabbi be called James O'Brien.