Netanyahu crimes

madalene

No theworriedwell, but they had a great deal to do with the brutal slaughter of nearly 1200 Israeli civilians, the gang raping of many young women, who were then finished off with a bullet to the head, and the tying together of entire families and burning them alive. They also had a great deal to do with the spitting on the corpses of violated young women, and the cheering on of Hamas whilst jeering at the hostages.

What you think would happen? I’m not surprised by the actions of Israel, although much of the death and destruction could have been avoided if Hamas had handed back the hostages, instead of executing them when it was thought they may have been liberated.

No one wants to see pictures of children on their screens, who have lost limbs, or parents who have lost children. Hamas caused this. You are blaming the wrong people. And some even repeating the lies that the Israeli government knew in advance about the 07/10 attack, and did nothing to stop them. (I wonder how they would have stopped them, no doubt whatever they did they would have been criticised.)

And none of that explains why the Holocaust was brought into it.

No one has said Israel shouldn't protect it's citizens and it's countries but it has gone too far and the issue in the West Bank is all Israels doing. If you keep poking a dog with a stick don't complain when it bites you.

Wasn't it the IDF who killed the 3 hostages who were free?

Babs03

I do seriously believe that Netanyahu is empire building in Gaza and the West Bank, ethnically cleansing the areas so that Israelis can live there.
This isn't just conjecture, it is happening in real time in front of all of us.
We have seen this and cannot unsee it. Some can bury their heads in the sand but will only find the mass graves of Gazans there.
We know what is happening and yet we try to justify it with the magical word 'Hamas', the forgive-all, whilst knowing that Hamas is now depleted and ready to talk, and also are not in the West Bank, so go figure?!

I’ve actually got a newspaper article from several years ago saying just that. I’ll try to find it; I was only reading it the other day.

He is justified in apprehending and punishing the terrorist group in legal trials. He may also be forgiven for acting in anger at the first shock. He is not justified in continuing the assault and flattening the homes of people he has not identified as belonging to that terrorist group but who share their demographic, killing more than ten times as many of them as the said terrorists did, even the ones who moved to a completely different area on his instructions because he said it would not be bombed, or in intending to make the whole of the territory a waste land and repopulate it with settlers he approves of.

If a terrorist group drawn from inhabitants of Yorkshire carried out an attack on London that killed a thousand random people, would Keir Starmer be justified in sending in bombers to destroy buildings across the north and killing tens and more of thousands, and replanting the area with loyal-to-him Southerners who wanted to relocate for more space in empty farmland?

London is no5 a separate country from Yorkshire

Anniebach

London is no5 a separate country from Yorkshire

What does that have to do with it? It's a perfectly good analogy.

I've been thinking along the same lines, though more in terms of France & the UK (seeing as the two have been opposed more than once over the centuries). What if a UK terrorist group committed an atrocity in France and Macron ordered the destruction of the south east of England in revenge?

There is no order for the destruction of Gaza

Gaza is being systematically destroyed so if there's no order for its destruction, why is it happening?

Hamas are there, as they were in October 2023

In Netanyahu's eyes, and in practice, Palestine is a region of Israel where Palestinians are allowed to live m, on sufferance. The. subject of a separate Palestinian state is a thorny one.

Tbh after the Birmingham bombing 50 years ago when the IRA bombed a nightclub killing and injuring many people, or after the IRA bombed Liverpool, London, and Manchester, the British government, if it took Netanyahus example, could have reduced NI to dust and slaughtered 45,000 innocent Irish people. Of course that isn’t what happened, despite IRA members hiding in peoples homes etc., and so presumably using them as human shields.
The fact is most countries don’t deal with terrorism in this way because it is unthinkable.
Sadly the attacks on Iraq after the terrorist bombings in the US set a precedent.
But only with Muslim countries in the ME.
I can only take away from this the fact that their lives matter less than ours.

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Elegran

In Netanyahu's eyes, and in practice, Palestine is a region of Israel where Palestinians are allowed to live m, on sufferance. The. subject of a separate Palestinian state is a thorny one.

Including for some on here Elegran.

Babs03

Tbh after the Birmingham bombing 50 years ago when the IRA bombed a nightclub killing and injuring many people, or after the IRA bombed Liverpool, London, and Manchester, the British government, if it took Netanyahus example, could have reduced NI to dust and slaughtered 45,000 innocent Irish people. Of course that isn’t what happened, despite IRA members hiding in peoples homes etc., and so presumably using them as human shields.
The fact is most countries don’t deal with terrorism in this way because it is unthinkable.
Sadly the attacks on Iraq after the terrorist bombings in the US set a precedent.
But only with Muslim countries in the ME.
I can only take away from this the fact that their lives matter less than ours.

That is such a good post Babs03 and echoes my sentiments entirely.
“their lives matter less than ours”…..…….
Imagine if this happened in Britain and whole communities, towns and complete families wiped out.

Oreo

Still going round in circles on these kind of threads tho, with those who support Israel and those who don’t.🤷🏼‍♀️

Not at all. It has been explained by many, again and again.

This is not about 'supporting Israel' or not. This is about Netanyahu and his supporters, and his attitude towards illegal settlements and Palestinians. About the fact that he is causing the destruction of Palestine and its people, children, elderly, women, all families.

And the fact that many ISRAELI Jews do NOT support him and what he is doing, 'in their name'. The comparison to the terrible events of 30s and 40s have been made by Jews- who do NOT support what he is doing.

And who, for a long time, suspected what is becoming clear. That he knew of the planned attacks, had all the intelligence and very sophisticated surveillance and protection of the fence in place- but deliberately ignored and delayed, and is now falsifying the evidence. Why would he have wanted to ignore and delay?

MayBee70

madalene

I think you need to be very careful Maizie.

Which is why I can’t say what I think of Netanyahu. The slightest criticism of him is regarded as anti semitism.

This has become the norm, any criticism of Netanyahu and the terrible destruction of Palestine, is turned into accusations of antisemitism and threats, veiled or otherwise.

Good grief threats !

Oh, forget the 'threat', Fp. That was a separate issue.

madalene

I think you need to be very careful Maizie.

I'd call this a thinly veiled 'threat', yes.

No, advice, I finish exchange of messages with ‘take care’

Fleurpepper
Is a thinly veiled threat, I agree.
Let’s stop threatening to accuse people of antisemitism when all we want is a discussion about Netanyahu and the politics of the region.
It only serves to trivialise the very real antisemitism that does exist.

Exactly Babs. And Jewish friends (and I know some of you think they are a figment of my imagination!) have told us that this has become an advised tactic - in certain groups. Any criticism, just report as antisemitic to 'shut down any debate'.

Wasn’t it the IDF who killed the 3 hostages who were free?

Yes.
They weren’t free because they were still in Gaza.
They managed to escape from where they were being held.
The IDF mistook them for Hamas fighters.
It was terrible for those three people who lost their lives.
It was terrible for their families.
And it was terrible for the IDF members who mistook them for Hamas and killed them. I suspect they will be haunted by that for the rest of their lives.

The hostages I referred to yesterday were six in number, not three. They were executed with a bullet to the back of the head by Hamas because the IDF were nearby and would have liberated them very soon.

Just so we’re all clear.

For over a year now I've followed reports of whats been happening in Gaza, been careful to check on verification etc, and there have been so many where the most terrible things have happened to Palestinian innocents as well - that could be listed and described here just as the shooting you describe. The overall death and injury toll, the wholesale destruction of the means to live and thrive, the blocking of aid at different points - has simply gone well beyond defence imo.

I'm clear that I do not believe that this Israeli regime has the right to annex the West Bank or Gaza -ie take over the whole region.

I'm interested to hear if anyone does agree with this, or if we are all (hopefully) wanting a "home" for both Israelis and Palestinians.

madalene

^Wasn’t it the IDF who killed the 3 hostages who were free?^

Yes.
They weren’t free because they were still in Gaza.
They managed to escape from where they were being held.
The IDF mistook them for Hamas fighters.
It was terrible for those three people who lost their lives.
It was terrible for their families.
And it was terrible for the IDF members who mistook them for Hamas and killed them. I suspect they will be haunted by that for the rest of their lives.

The hostages I referred to yesterday were six in number, not three. They were executed with a bullet to the back of the head by Hamas because the IDF were nearby and would have liberated them very soon.

Just so we’re all clear.

If the IDF weren't executing unarmed people they wouldn't have killed them would they?

Babs03

Tbh after the Birmingham bombing 50 years ago when the IRA bombed a nightclub killing and injuring many people, or after the IRA bombed Liverpool, London, and Manchester, the British government, if it took Netanyahus example, could have reduced NI to dust and slaughtered 45,000 innocent Irish people. Of course that isn’t what happened, despite IRA members hiding in peoples homes etc., and so presumably using them as human shields.
The fact is most countries don’t deal with terrorism in this way because it is unthinkable.
Sadly the attacks on Iraq after the terrorist bombings in the US set a precedent.
But only with Muslim countries in the ME.
I can only take away from this the fact that their lives matter less than ours.

I wonder if people would be so supportive of what Netanyahu is doing if he decided to start bombing British cities because some Hamas leader was believed to be here? I certainly wouldn't be impressed if family members were killed and his spokesman said they weren't targeting civilians but my loved ones just happened to be in the way.