A Note to Elon Musk

This "white on white" sexual abuse enquiry took 6 years to complete, and its a fairly recent one (ie procedures were known and followed but despite that it takes that long)

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

"Responding to the Walsall case in light of her comments, Craig Guildford, the chief constable of West Midlands police, said: “It is important to remain open-minded about who can commit these offences. They know no social or religious boundaries and it is important to remind the public and professionals to report their concerns to the police, regardless.”

A huge cover up took place with Savile that lasted decades. And there have been many decades long cover ups in he Catholic Churchs/Anglican church, for which Welby recently had to resign.
None were Pakistani as far as I know.
In targeting one group we are in danger of ignoring and hampering investigations into all child grooming and child abuse.
Indeed it was stated on the news recently that some Asian gangs were known to groom children on the street but that online grooming is predominantly white.
Tbh I don’t see why we need to differentiate, why don’t we just say it is predominantly ‘men’.

Here are some known and prosecuted members of child abuse gangs. Spot the Pakistani...

And yet … no one is saying “Don't you hate all these Jewish grooming gangs, and Hindu terrorist attacks, and Christian hate marches....”

Yes I get a few individuals from any sect can go rogue, but these Pakistani gangs were endemic in their atrocities. Let’s stop shying away from stating the bluddy obvious here. These were men in groups who gathered together to do the unspeakable. What I have read in their Court transcripts sickens me.

Certainly any reluctance to prosecute on the basis of fear of being labelled "Racist" was wrong when it occurred, and it was on a large scale,

But whats wrong with what Musk is doing is

convincing us it was come kind of political plot on a large scale and making every effort to link it specifically with Starmer as part of his attacks on him generally

and bombarding the public via x with numbers of actual lies as well as disregarding other groups of abusers.

LizzieDrip

^Some people are still more concerned about hurting the feelings of rapists^

Kandinsky what people? I haven’t heard this POV from anyone.

Thanks Galaxy - we feminists have been raising this for years. It’s interesting how often posts in here say ‘that doesn’t mean all men are rapists’ - as if anyone had said that. The grooming rape torture gangs being discussed here don’t mean every man of Muslim Pakistani heritage is a rapist. Nazir Afzal did more to change the investigative approach than many others and he’s of similar background

I’ve seen no one ‘defending these rapists’ as Kadinsky suggested earlier.
Yes some victim survivors want a further inquiry, many don’t, the don’t want re traumatised the want Jay implemented

What would be the point of any inquiry if it only looked at 20% of the problem?

Erm .. because it’s still going on today? It’s not gone away. And 20% of any problem is a sizeable number isn’t it?

(Almost as high as Starmer’s majority at the G.E. 😂).

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And yet … no one is saying “Don't you hate all these Jewish grooming gangs, and Hindu terrorist attacks, and Christian hate marches....”

Yes I get a few individuals from any sect can go rogue, but these Pakistani gangs were endemic in their atrocities. Let’s stop shying away from stating the bluddy obvious here. These were men in groups who gathered together to do the unspeakable. What I have read in their Court transcripts sickens me.

But no one disagrees that those men did do that FGT nor condones it.

Or Iam you could just as easily say “many victim survivors want a further inquiry, some don’t because of triggering”.

Numbers count. Facts are important not suppositions.

And you are quite right to point out as you did above how easy it is and was to hide abuse and has always been whatever the community.

I think it is essential that local police forces have close links with all communities and their leaders but also that social services work closely with both and aren’t seen as the bad guys. I also think schools can play a big part with a safe space inside every school where children can go to talk to a counsellor about what is troubling them.
But we need funding to do this.
And society needs to alter its perception that women and children are prone to make false testimonies.
We need to start listening to the victims more and protecting the perps less.

Grandmabatty

Hear hear! I don't think we are alone. Germany and France are very unhappy with Musk interfering

Phenomenally written statement of facts ..

This arse believes his money could purchase whatever he so desires, HE IS BELIGERENT and on his whims are unthought out and highly dangerous.

He is a total egomaniac and a danger to the peaceful relationships between the Usa and all other countries.

👏👏👏

Wyllow3

This "white on white" sexual abuse enquiry took 6 years to complete, and its a fairly recent one (ie procedures were known and followed but despite that it takes that long)

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

"Responding to the Walsall case in light of her comments, Craig Guildford, the chief constable of West Midlands police, said: “It is important to remain open-minded about who can commit these offences. They know no social or religious boundaries and it is important to remind the public and professionals to report their concerns to the police, regardless.”

Amazingly well written.

Thank you for posting White Wave Mark 2 ..

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Or Iam you could just as easily say “many victim survivors want a further inquiry, some don’t because of triggering”.

Numbers count. Facts are important not suppositions.

I get what you are saying but another inquiry will take years, put victims through yet more trauma, and the recommendations are unlikely to be that different to the present recommendations, which need to be acted upon as of yesterday in order to hopefully prevent more children becoming victims of grooming.

What do you hope to get out of an inquiry of the sort mentioned, for people who are being groomed today FGT ? (and others)

I am not sure how I feel about an inquiry, I think there will be one though.

Facts are important not suppositions

That’s right FGT.

Yet you appear to ignore the fact that many victims are currently being re-traumatised.

Whitewavemark2

To:
@elonmusk

From: 80% of UK citizens
Subject: The UK Government

I fear you are ignorant of the constitutional workings of the UK. The following facts may not be to your liking but they are facts nonetheless and no amount of disinformation posted by you and other US and UK citizens on this platform who are uninformed as to how things work in our little group of islands on this side of the pond will change that reality.

1. In July 2024, the UK held a general election the result of which was an overwhelming victory for the Labour party.
2. As leader of the party that had secured a majority of seats in the House of Commons, Keir Starmer was invited by the King to form a government. Starmer accepted the King's invitation. In the UK, that is the only mechanism by which one can become Prime Minister; one does not 'run' for the position (Andrew Tate take note).
3. As of today, the Labour government has an effective working majority of 165 votes in the House of Commons.
4. A new general election may only be called as a result of the Monarch's agreement to such a request by the sitting Prime Minister, or as a result of the government losing a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons. Neither case is remotely likely to occur.
5. Any idea you may have of whipping up mass #FarageRiots amongst the ignorant and unschooled who follow you will not work; unlike your Executive, ours is not subject to a Posse Comitatus Act and should it really becme necessary, our military may be used to restore order.
6. Despite the beliefs of said unschooled ignoramuses mentioned above, King Charles III is a constitutional monarch who may act only with the consent of the Prime Minister. He cannot dissolve Parliament, he cannot call a general election, he cannot, to use your terminology, 'fire' any elected official.
7. Despite the beliefs of the above mentioned uneducated, Magna Carta is no longer in force in the UK - we have moved on and thankfully we now have the Human Rights Act passed by the Blair government in 1998 that gives legal effect to the ECHR, drafted by British Lawyers in the early 1950s.
8. The majority of US citizens, even some republicans, understand that they have not elected you to any office whatsoever and they are quite concerned by your meglomania.

I hope this helps - it's always best to have a good and detailed understanding of any country with which you intend to interfere - if only the US had learned that before they invaded Iraq and found no weapons of mass detruction and no evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attrocity. Surely the US did not invade just for the oil?

I suggest you have a cup of tea, a slice of fruit cake and calm down.

Pip pip!

ft.com/content

Excellent stuff.

But if people are saying dont talk about it that is every red flag in the book.

We should talk about it of course. Its how. And to what end.

Mr Musk giving away money to charity does not cause me to change my views on him. I understand that the late Mr Savile was a supporter of many charities: this did not make him any less of a vile human.
I notice that Musk doesn't notice any problems in the United States worthy of his attention, and his avowed interest in free speech seems not to lead him to comment on such matters in China, for example- funny that.

ronib

There’s just one little omission from the list - and that is ….. the Labour government has only a small percentage of eligible votes. A fluke result. So Musk is talking to the masses who did not vote in Uk elections. The dispossessed?

The Labour government does have a notable percentage of seats and that's our democracy. It’s worth considering that the outcome of the elections can reflect a range of factors or perhaps I should say it's worth doing so, if you still believe in democracy.

As I have said elsewhere, many adults have biases that lead them to trust certain sources or narratives without questioning them. I think Musk’s engagement resonates with various groups, not just those who feel dispossessed

Re the O/P ie Musk generally - the a copy courtesy Maizie and the FT this morning:

It appears that the Financial Times thinks that Musk is plotting to have Starmer removed from office. the story is behind a paywall I'm afraid:

www.ft.com/content/dd4b066c-30a1-4ce4-a95e-82c334a740cf

This is a snippet from it:

Elon Musk has privately discussed with allies how Sir Keir Starmer could be removed as UK prime minister before the next general election, according to people briefed on the matter

Musk, the world's richest man and key confidant of US president-elect Donald Trump, is probing how he and his rightwing allies can destabilise the UK Labour government beyond the aggressive posts he has issued on his social media platform X, the people said

Kandinsky

FriedGreenTomatoes2
Totally agree.

I hope he keeps the pressure up!

yes, me too. Thank you Elon Musk