Badenoch admits that there was no plan.

TanaMa

Perhaps if they all got on with what they are paid for (including heating in cold weather) which is Governing this Country, instead of the perpetual playing of the blame game, we might be in a better place. They are all - whatever Party - acting with such childish pettiness it gets boring!

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Kemi Badenoch is loud and aggressive in parliament, she is not silent at all.
Don't get me started on Brexit. I was ridiculed by some Gnetters for admitting that I cried when the leavers won.
Well, I have started. The Lib Dems are campaigning for closer ties with the EU, including joining the customs union, essential for any firm which exports to the EU (fewer since Brexit) also for freelance workers such as my musician DiL whose EU work has effectively dried up.
Dominic Grieve is VP of the European Movement. Other leading figures are Caroline Lucas, Michael Heseltine and Vince Cable. I wish Tony Blair would
get out of his comfort zone and join.

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

They made so many mistakes and Brexit was right up there at the top. People followed like sheep instead of using their own brain.

orly

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

It was however definitely a right wing cause orly on the whole, but there was considerable room for differences in how much we would cut ties with the EU.

There was no plan as to the vital structures - it was made up as it went along through frustrating years of failure to reach agreements

ie in terms of a "hard" or "soft" Brexit, and we got the "hard" hurried "oven ready"one that cut useful trade and customs links and has subsequently caused so many problems for business and diplomatic relationships.

Too many people believed in Johnson, “because he looks like a man you could have a pint with” or “he’s a lovable naughty boy”. These are the kind of people who voted Brexit and ruined our country.

Well, the work ahead now is to improve and repair relationships with Europe, as what's done is done. And keep the likes of Musk out of the picture over Europe. We did vote for sovereignty, didn't we....

'Give him a chance. He's doing his best'. How many times in GN threads did we read that about Johnson?

And now they are believing in Farage. Is it the same folk, I wonder?

MayBee70

If anyone sums up the Conservatives Party to me it’s Dominic Grieve. Such a decent politician who fell foul of Brexit and Johnson. He always looks like a haunted man to me ( I know he has that sort of demeanour anyway). I think it’s broken his heart watching his party destroy itself.

I’d add Alex Chalke and Rory Stewart. There are decent Tories, they just don’t get grass roots support, mores the pity. And I’m a Labour supporter..

If Rory Stewart had been chosen as leader I would have been tempted to vote for them. They really missed a trick there.

Romola

Kemi Badenoch is loud and aggressive in parliament, she is not silent at all.
Don't get me started on Brexit. I was ridiculed by some Gnetters for admitting that I cried when the leavers won.
Well, I have started. The Lib Dems are campaigning for closer ties with the EU, including joining the customs union, essential for any firm which exports to the EU (fewer since Brexit) also for freelance workers such as my musician DiL whose EU work has effectively dried up.
Dominic Grieve is VP of the European Movement. Other leading figures are Caroline Lucas, Michael Heseltine and Vince Cable. I wish Tony Blair would
get out of his comfort zone and join.

I’m pretty sure that vote leave never said that we’d leave the customs union. I don’t understand why we can’t just rejoin. But I know nothing about economics.

orly

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

The fact that over a million more people got off their bums and voted for Brexit, than those who didn’t bother continues to irritate me. That’s why we’re not in the EU.

The politicians and mainstream press don't want to talk about this subject. It really is the elephant in the room. The UK has suffered economically quite a bit since the vote in 2016, and even more since the actual 2020 EU, (a noticable drop in sterling exchange rate, a reduction in business investment, and reduced trade, especially from SMEs, who unlike big businesses, can't afford the extra paperwork necessary to sell to Europe anymore). We can't get out of the ecomonic hole we are in without solving the problems brexit has caused. But NOBODY will talk about it. We need free-flowing trade and fully flexible movement of workers within our own continent in order to prosper and compete with the rest of the world. If Labour don't address this issue while in power, I can't see that the UK will ever prosper again. Labour are afraid to do anything, as some voters will go to reform next time. Nobody is putting the country's needs before their political interests. I'm really beginning to despise this country, and am becoming sad that my grandkids have to grow up facing this mess.

Mollygo

orly

The referendum was about what the people wanted - in or out - not about a Tory plan because the Tories weren't advocating leaving the EU. It was the majority of those who voted that generated the move to leave. A plan then had to be formulated and as we well know no government plan will ever get support - there's always some opposition and in the case of Brexit it was the Remoaners.

The fact that over a million more people got off their bums and voted for Brexit, than those who didn’t bother continues to irritate me. That’s why we’re not in the EU.

Yes, so many were complacent and didn't bother to vote thinking remaining in the EU was a foregone result. The disbelief was palpable.
I do blame them.

The Tory Party ruined itself by getting rid of some of its most able and honest MPs when the Buffoon was PM. They will probably take decades to recover.

GrannyGravy13

Old news Whitewavemark2 it is well known that David Cameron assumed that the remain side would win, and therefore had no contingency plans for a leave result.

Why do you think he resigned the next morning.

So did a lot of voters, which is presumably why they didn’t bother.

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

MayBee70

Imo the referendum tapped into the racism and xenophobia that existed in this country. And, sadly, still does….

I agree about the racism and xenophobia, but that goes contrary to the idea that people would leap from their chairs and rush to vote remain.

Too few of us did that.

I find the implication that all those who voted leave were racist and xenophobic quite strange.

I didn’t say everybody. But those that did feel that way were empowered by Farage and his rhetoric and made the effort to vote. And they are still empowered by it.

People voted leave or remain for many, varied and often complex reasons.
Most people I know thought it through very carefully indeed. They felt it was important to vote and I don't know anyone who didn't vote but obviously many didn't bother.
I remember some people interviewed on the television didn't even know what the EU was!

It was said that those who didn’t vote were mainly the young, so maybe the young aren’t as invested as many older people.

Who's Badenoch???

wibblywobblywobblebottom

Who's Badenoch???

That was a tongue in cheek question, wasn’t it?

I was old ish, late 50s, but in hospital almost comatose