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Shocking news this morning. On the tv and in the papers.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 23-Jan-25 09:11:34

Apparently there are over one million migrants living here in the UK who have no right to be here.

600,000 of them are living in London. Just think about that huge number for a moment.

It equates to TEN football stadiums full to capacity in our capital city.

No wonder we’re broke. It’s dispiriting. Our borders are so leaky it’s not worth pretending any more that we have them.

What do you think about this newly released information?

LizzieDrip Thu 23-Jan-25 19:23:55

FGS that’s three times you’re complaining about a deleted post or two when you know full well that for that to happen it must be against forum rules to have written whatever you did.It has zero to do with anyone reporting cos they don’t like free speech.And free speech is only free up to a point

Oreo my prerogative!

IMO (I believe we are still allowed personal opinions) neither of my posts were offensive, although they were reported by a super sensitive poster as being ‘personal attacks’.

That’s four times I’ve complained now🤷‍♀️

Galaxy Thu 23-Jan-25 19:34:13

Well as FGS has denied doing that we have no idea who it was.
I am afraid you dont get to decide what is or isnt against the rules, the moderators do that, you may of course disagree with them but the guidelines apply to us all. I didn't see the post so have no view on it but it wouldnt be up to me or anyone else, it would be up to the moderators.

Cossy Thu 23-Jan-25 19:49:24

pinkwallpaper

I cannot understand why ‘the boats’ were not arriving until 2018. If you look at statistics there were few people arriving in boats before that.

Do you don’t see the link between more refugees and wars in Syria and Afganistan or the correlation between France seemingly unable to control their coastline and Brexit?

Allira Thu 23-Jan-25 19:52:55

Maremia

Would be interesting to see how long your own ancestors have been here GNs. We are all immigrants. It just depends on which era you count from from. Are there any historians on here today, who can help describe the ancestral migration patterns to this once empty of humans, icebound domain?

Right, where shall I start?
Working from the earliest up to the latest who were refugees?
Or from the refugees backwards through history to the Celts?

Or the other side of the family who were probably original Britons but emigrated to Canada and New Zealand?

And I'm sure we all have some Neanderthal DNA

Bored already? Ok, I'll stop there.

Cossy Thu 23-Jan-25 19:55:10

Allira

Good grief NO Thank you!!!

them
So who are the them?
Most of the population of the USA are immigrants or descendants of immigrants.

They are indeed, a point which always amuses me when people like Trump are adamant he is a “true American”

As far as I’m aware, Nstive Americans are the only true Americans

Cossy Thu 23-Jan-25 19:56:19

Soz Native

petra Thu 23-Jan-25 20:02:54

Barleyfields

David49

The only industry that is inspected for illegal workers is agriculture, for ALL other businesses there are no checks, there is widespread fraud and abuse. Reputable businesses check for work permits, however false documentation and passports are widespread and wouldn’t be noticed by business managers.

Surely the business would be alerted to false information as such as it attempted to make NI and tax payments for the employee?

This is how they get away with it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2kdg84zj4wo

NotSpaghetti Thu 23-Jan-25 20:17:07

...There was also a massive problem with people hiding in trucks if you remember, pinkwallpaper

The boats increased when there was a clampdown on the truck issue.

petra Thu 23-Jan-25 20:20:55

Nanato3

Tiley

I think we need a leader somewhat like Trump who would send them back to where they came from.

Absolutely agree !

Good god. Have they resurrected you two from the age of the dinosaurs. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Barleyfields Thu 23-Jan-25 20:26:19

I wonder how many of those who say we need another Trump here understand the full horror of what he stands for.

Zuzu Thu 23-Jan-25 20:32:58

There is a YouTube video from NumbersUSA.com,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI

I first saw it a number of years ago. He explains the futility of immigration on world poverty with gumballs. It's quite good.

Elegran Thu 23-Jan-25 20:54:54

Sarnia

It's depressing reading, right enough.
The problem we have is that whoever is in charge, nobody has the backbone to do anything. They are all experts on waffle but hopeless on action so we are in the state we are in.
These illegal migrants are a drain on our small island. We need to take a look at Australia. Anyone expecting to sneak in there illegally is turned around pretty smartish and sent back to where they came from, often on the next available flight and ignore the calls of Racist!
But here! Ushered into comfy hotels, given phones, food and anything else they need and all with very little prospect of being sent back.
I fear for my grandchildren's lives in the UK. I really do.

Do the media numbers differentiate between -
1) newly arrived immigrants,
2) immigrants who have been here for years but never made themselves known to the authorities (therefore illegal and not getting any official support at all ),
3) those claiming asylum (therefore applying to be legal and getting basic support while their claims are investigated),
4) those accepted for asylum (therefore legal and able to work and pay taxes so not getting any support) and
5) those not accepted for asylum (therefore not legal and not getting support, but known to the authorities and expected to leave)

If they sneaked in and are "keeping under the radar" and there are no figures for them arriving here, how can someone "estimate" with any accuracy what the numbers are? They won't be going around with a placard saying "I am here illegally!"

They are supposed to register a claim for asylum as soon as they can, and no later than 1 year after they arrive. Once they make the claim, their presence is NOT illegal by international law, but their reasons for desiring asylum are investigated and judged.

As asylum seekers, while their claim is being investigated they get the minimum needed to feed them, £49.18 for each person in the household to pay for things like food, clothing and toiletries. The allowance is loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week and they use the card to get cash from a cash machine. Not exactly luxury living. They won't be in a luxury hotel, either. "Asylum seekers are offered basic housing on a no-choice basis anywhere in the UK and some money to pay for food. This accommodation can be in hotels or army barracks as well as in normal housing" and some of it is pretty awful. They can't work, or claim benefits.

"Support will be withdrawn if a person receives a negative decision on their asylum claim. They will be given notice that they have 21 days until their asylum support is terminated, and will receive a “Notice to Quit” at least 7 days before they are due to be evicted."

If their asylum claim is accepted, their financial support ends and they can find work, pay taxes and apply for benefits if they need them. They have 28 days to find new accommodation before they are evicted (from December 4th this is being extended to 56 for a trial period until June 2025) Then they have to quit the accommodation and find - and furnish and pay for - their own.

MayBee70 Thu 23-Jan-25 23:01:37

For those who want to bring back the death penalty just remember this. Innocent people have been executed in the past. A jury is less likely to reach a guilty verdict if they know the accused will be executed ( would you like to be on a jury making that decision). And, if someone is executed, another person has to execute them. Just imagine having that as a job ( someone in my family did…).

Mamie Fri 24-Jan-25 04:32:30

fullfact.org/immigration/illegal-migrant-london-population/

This might help.

PamelaJ1 Fri 24-Jan-25 05:35:04

Allira

Car cleaners, nail bars, domestic servants, hospitality workers etc

The sooner people who are here illegally are found and processed the sooner they can work legally - and pay tax.

I can’t work out how people don’t t seem to know this.

vegansrock Fri 24-Jan-25 05:51:22

I suppose those who want a Trump here also want no gun control, death penalty for women having an abortion, no gay rights etc

nanna8 Fri 24-Jan-25 06:22:22

That’s just silly. I thought this was about potential asylum seekers who are coming without applying and trying to jump the queue, making it harder for the ones who go through the legal channels.

BevSec Fri 24-Jan-25 06:44:21

petra

Nanato3

Tiley

I think we need a leader somewhat like Trump who would send them back to where they came from.

Absolutely agree !

Good god. Have they resurrected you two from the age of the dinosaurs. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fully agree, we are going to get to the stage where our society will break down.

Mamie Fri 24-Jan-25 06:52:45

I would recommend reading the Full Fact evaluation of the "data" used, that I posted at 04.32.
It does shed light on the Telegraph "reporting".

mae13 Fri 24-Jan-25 07:15:53

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Apparently there are over one million migrants living here in the UK who have no right to be here.

600,000 of them are living in London. Just think about that huge number for a moment.

It equates to TEN football stadiums full to capacity in our capital city.

No wonder we’re broke. It’s dispiriting. Our borders are so leaky it’s not worth pretending any more that we have them.

What do you think about this newly released information?

It immediately brings to mind the late Peter Finch in the film 'Network', playing the dispirited news anchorman who gets so fed up with the appalling state of almost everything that he ends up exploding live on air and rants wildly, finishing up with the memorable words "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

And that's how I feel about the matter. The government is OK, well insulated in their protected Westminster bubble, but those of us outside that safety-zone have to deal with the results of the impotence of failed policies not doing a darn thing about the constant slew of Small Boats.

mae13 Fri 24-Jan-25 07:23:35

Include in that list the absolute avalanche of barber shops sprouting along high streets everywhere in recent years. Why?

Kandinsky Fri 24-Jan-25 07:31:42

Problem with some anti Trump people on this thread is they think if you want a PM that actually deals with illegal migrants, that you obviously want everyone carrying a gun, women who have a termination killed, and homosexuality banned.
They can’t think further than that.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-Jan-25 07:45:45

I am finding the pile on by posters on FGT2 extremely uncomfortable.

Kadinsky I agree, immigration is a problem all over the western world.

Far better to have a Government who want to control it, than have 1,000’s working /enslaved in dreadful conditions on the margins of society.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Jan-25 08:15:10

Mamie

fullfact.org/immigration/illegal-migrant-london-population/

This might help.

mamie thank you for that. That was something that I planned/promised to do this morning - you have saved me a job.

I had actually looked at The Oxford data, which states that it is extremely difficult to come to any accurate data when looking at irregular immigration. Consequently, there are no accurate figures that can be used.

There is a lot of information but none of it comes to the sort of conclusion that the right wing press bandied about, and Thames Water claims (it has never published the figures, and has never provided details of the method used)

As a result, I came to the conclusion that there was no other reason to publish these inaccurate figures other than the shock value in pursuing an agenda of which we are only too familiar.

Most people would, I assume, take such headlines with a pinch of salt - knowing and understanding the consequences of such unpleasant tactics,

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Jan-25 08:18:59

Kandinsky

Problem with some anti Trump people on this thread is they think if you want a PM that actually deals with illegal migrants, that you obviously want everyone carrying a gun, women who have a termination killed, and homosexuality banned.
They can’t think further than that.

You are conflating dislike of Trumps politics with the necessary need to get to grips with the migration issue.

It goes far, far deeper than that for me.

His politics so far have gone a long way to ensure the push factors of migration will be ramped up year on year.

His politics are entirely contradictory.