Ok, so all of you who think we need a Trump here.... what is it that appeals?

HousePlantQueen there was a thread started earlier in the week asking the exact same question (not by you I know)

It got taken down.

I am guessing (I dont know the breakdown of voters by class in the states) that like the labour party the democrats are perceived as the party of the middle class - that can have its consequences.

I can't understand it either.
I even wonder if the GNers who sound like normally empathetic people are being coerced in some way?
They want to believe the rubbish he spouts. But why? I don't know.
They would probably support Putin if they were Russian, Netanyahu if Israeli, and so on. There's quite an array of far right dictators, or would be dictators, to choose from 😞

Whatever else he is or isn't, he is a proud patriot and that is very appealing to his voter base. I only wish we had the same, as I'm sick of this country being talked down by the current government, which I would never have voted for in a million years.

I wouldnt call myself a Trump supporter. Definitely not.
And pretty sure I have barely metnioned him at all on GN.

There are a few aspects of what he says that I like.

Well probably 3?

1. Make America great again.
So long as he doesnt go too far.
I almost feel sickened how far from that we are in this Country, and in a lot of European Countries.
Any one would think[and I do sometimes] that that is one of the last things on those Leaders' minds.

2.Uncontrolled immigration.
Not going to go round any usual circles and questions on that subject.

3. Energy.
See numer 1 as well, for that really.

No, I dont know all ins and outs.
But as like any voter, I dont have to.
And also, as I have said before I am a floating voter.
I dont expect people who always vote for the same party for decades, to have the same ideas and concerns as I do.

Freya5

Have any of you actually listened to Farage, or Trump for that matter.
I heard Farage answer questions, one from a smug bespectacled journo, whose arms crossed all the time,not defensive then was he?. Farage answered clearly, calmly with passion. Unlike our wooden pm. Even disputed what the bespectacled one was trying to shout over him, re immigration of course, answered every question without starmers and the rest of the Labour Party deflecting as they always do, they never answer a direct question properly.
I even listened to Trump, "love him, or hate him, he does as he says, gets things done" American journalist on CNN.

That Trump “ gets things done “ is a fallacy .
His first Presidency he only did a 1/3 of what he promised . The wall was only built in the smallest of fractions and Mexico certainly didn’t pay for it . Yes, he signed a bunch of paperwork . Will it get implemented ? Already companies like Costco are rejecting his DEI platform . He has signed a ridiculous paper trying to rescind the right to be American if you were born there which is in our Constitution . It has already been blocked by a judge . The less fortunate of the Republicans will find that he also rescinded the right to cheaper meds and medical care . They are also finding out they may be losing their jobs to drastic cuts in the government .
Many will soon find out the real benefits will go to the billionaires on the backs of middle and lower income population . I am not sure what the appeal is except that som GN take his bluster as truth . He has few people that are competent in the new government and soon chaos will reign just like his first administration .

gulligranny

Whatever else he is or isn't, he is a proud patriot and that is very appealing to his voter base. I only wish we had the same, as I'm sick of this country being talked down by the current government, which I would never have voted for in a million years.

Such a patriot that he was insulting about a truly brave patriot who didn't try to avoid military service because of his flat feet. John McCain was twice the man and ten times the patriot that Trump is.

Talk is cheap.

But I do wonder why the question is put in the first place?
Most people have no intention of changing their minds.
And will just ridicule others, either their ideas or the person, of those who disagree with them.

It is so easy to see why polls get things wrong.
Even people when asked things lke this face to face, deny.
Who wants that hassle?

GrannyGravy13

HousePlantQueen there was a thread started earlier in the week asking the exact same question (not by you I know)

It got taken down.

was there? I didn't see it, although I have read an awful lot of threads where Trump is supported.

gulligranny

Whatever else he is or isn't, he is a proud patriot and that is very appealing to his voter base. I only wish we had the same, as I'm sick of this country being talked down by the current government, which I would never have voted for in a million years.

There are many things to criticise this current government for, but talking down the country is not one of them. I would say that the talking down is being done by the critics.

I think part of the admiration we feel for Trump is that he seems so definite about things. Our own politicians are so afraid to express their true feelings, we just don't know where they stand on important matters.
Also our government(s) just don't seem to care about this country or the wishes of the British people. Once they are in power, they follow their own personal agenda.
Our history, our culture, our traditions don't seem to matter to most of them.
Those of us who do care are sick of being ridiculed and condemned for complaining about the decline in everything. People who live in traditional English towns and villages are having foreign cultures forced on them, changing the whole atmosphere of our country.
We are sick of being ignored.

theworriedwell

gulligranny

Whatever else he is or isn't, he is a proud patriot and that is very appealing to his voter base. I only wish we had the same, as I'm sick of this country being talked down by the current government, which I would never have voted for in a million years.

Such a patriot that he was insulting about a truly brave patriot who didn't try to avoid military service because of his flat feet. John McCain was twice the man and ten times the patriot that Trump is.

Talk is cheap.

Yes, Trump is such a true patriot (god, I hate that word)

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, near Paris, in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

Is this your idea of a proud patriot? It isn't mine

I think you will find the main reason for people in the UK supporting Trump is because he is brutal when it comes to immigration . That’s it. They seem ready to ignore his associations with the alt right, his many convictions, and his preposterous claims to want to purchase Greenland and take over Canada. Am pretty sure that anything and everything will be ignored in favour of his stance on immigration.
And this is a man whose mother arrived in the US on a boat from Scotland and who shares the US with very many immigrants of all nationalities. Only native Americans are indigenous and funnily enough they populated Mexico as well, so Mexicans are actually more American than Trump et al.

I was quite relieved last time that Trump wasn't able to fulfil all his crazy plans. Not so sure this time as he has a majority in both houses.

HousePlantQueen

Galaxy

I think the question should be why were the democrats so off putting that people would rather have voted for Trump.

Yes, I agree that is an important point. The Democrats left Biden in office too late, and there never really was the time to imbed Harris as a viable candidate ( if she ever was). I can see the attraction of a candidate who wants to put your country first, but I just cannot understand supporting a man who is prepared to dismiss the laws of your country if they do not suit him.

I am sorry if you think this is a 'thread with one aim' GG13, but over the past couple of weeks we have been bombarded with antagonistic and provocative threads criticising everything that Starmer has done, blaming for everything that has gone wrong, and many of those same posters have lauded Trump and said that they would like to see a leader with his 'qualities'. Surely it is not unreasonable that the Trump supporters share their reasons for this.

HPQ your opening post lists a few things and then challenges
So, which of these appeals to you?

I'm not a Trump supporter and definitely wouldn't want him or someone cast from the same mould here, but your OP isn't neutral or truly inviting reasoned answers from those who do and would. It's quite possible that even amongst his support group there are those that don't agree with any of the options you listed. I'm with GG13 that this thread, to my mind, was started with one aim and I don't believe it was to better understand why people think the way they do.

Apparently people who like Trump, don’t like Starmer, according to what I read upthread.

Not me, I like neither Trump nor Starmer.

I can't stand the sight of the man.
I question his mentality, even in his 1st time round as president.

mum2three

I think part of the admiration we feel for Trump is that he seems so definite about things. Our own politicians are so afraid to express their true feelings, we just don't know where they stand on important matters.
Also our government(s) just don't seem to care about this country or the wishes of the British people. Once they are in power, they follow their own personal agenda.
Our history, our culture, our traditions don't seem to matter to most of them.
Those of us who do care are sick of being ridiculed and condemned for complaining about the decline in everything. People who live in traditional English towns and villages are having foreign cultures forced on them, changing the whole atmosphere of our country.
We are sick of being ignored.

I have heard some absolutely passionate speeches across the years, from all parties, so I’m wondering if you missed them?

Both Sunak and Starmer gave great speeches just after the 2024 election was won by Starmer.

You can visibly see how proud our politicians are (most of them) at national events.

Our history and traditions do matter and are celebrated.

Those who appear to find migrants so offensive, I do hope you only eat British food, buy British goods, watch British TV etc etc etc

For me this country is so much richer in many ways due to migrants, I love all the different cultures, the different foods, the different languages, different religions.

I embrace our differences and our similarities.

We are all humans, even though not all of us are humane.

Grammaretto

I was quite relieved last time that Trump wasn't able to fulfil all his crazy plans. Not so sure this time as he has a majority in both houses.

Yes, this is very scary!

Those who appear to find migrants so offensive, I do hope you only eat British food, buy British goods, watch British TV etc etc etc.

I was thinking the same Cossy. I am sure if we all traced our ancestry, many of us would find we came from immigrant families. I for one did!

It is the politics of negativity. In his recent speech I didn't hear Trump make one statement about what will really make Amercica great apart from getting rid of people and policies.
It's the same with Farage- just a whole list of things to get rid of with no vision on what to replace it with.

www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/02/27/trumps-lawyer-no-basis-for-presidents-medical-deferment-from-vietnam/

Yep, Trump the draft dodging patriot.
I don’t know who is more foolish Trump for saying he is a patriot or others for calling him this.

keepingquiet

It is the politics of negativity. In his recent speech I didn't hear Trump make one statement about what will really make Amercica great apart from getting rid of people and policies.
It's the same with Farage- just a whole list of things to get rid of with no vision on what to replace it with.

Even with "just" a list of things to get rid of, maybe he thinks that will help a lot?
So what would be wrong with that?

And apart from that, here is a link[no idea of its bias or authenticity"] of other things he has supposedly talked about.
www.port.ac.uk/news-events-and-blogs/blogs/the-key-takeaways-from-donald-trumps-inauguration-speech
Some of which would presumably fall into the "vision" you want?

I dont know who you are as a poster.
But going by just that link, he appears to have said quite a lot which you maybe didnt notice or hear?

Barleyfields

I look forward to reading what appeals to anyone here because it’s beyond my imagination. I can’t think of one redeeming feature.

He always wears a good white shirt. Does that count 🤪

HousePlantQueen

theworriedwell

gulligranny

Whatever else he is or isn't, he is a proud patriot and that is very appealing to his voter base. I only wish we had the same, as I'm sick of this country being talked down by the current government, which I would never have voted for in a million years.

Such a patriot that he was insulting about a truly brave patriot who didn't try to avoid military service because of his flat feet. John McCain was twice the man and ten times the patriot that Trump is.

Talk is cheap.

Yes, Trump is such a true patriot (god, I hate that word)

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, near Paris, in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

Is this your idea of a proud patriot? It isn't mine

Good grief. I hadn’t heard that before. How disgraceful to dishonour The Fallen in such a way. I am truly shocked even though I would believe anything of that man. He couldn’t stoop lower than that.