Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

Well, all polls show that those who believe Brexit had positive effects are a very small minority. Good to have a bit of distance with polls, but when they show that only ELEVEN % are still in favour- even with a margin of error, it is very clear.

But there is an excellent way to verify it, unequivocally.

Do all polls question all people?
No of course they don’t.

Do they show the proportion of people who would actually bother to vote?
No of course they don’t.

The reason that Brexit happened was because over a million more people bothered to go and vote leave than voted remain.

There is an excellent way to verify it unequivocally, but unless that happens, what people think or what they say they would do is as only as true as the next headline and just as true as saying everyone would vote leave next time.

Mollygo
I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Mollygo ✔️✔️✔️

I wish Claremont would accept that it’s happened and stop banging on about it. It’s incredibly tiresome. As I understand it, she lives in a country which is not within the EU and never has been.

Mollygo exactly!

As for the younger ones, they come in two groups. Those who were already of voting age and who didn't bother- and will never ever make the same mistake again, as they are fully aware of the damage done.

Claremont this demographic are not well known for engaging with politics.

Of course exceptions prove the rule.

Claremont

Well, all polls show that those who believe Brexit had positive effects are a very small minority. Good to have a bit of distance with polls, but when they show that only ELEVEN % are still in favour- even with a margin of error, it is very clear.

But there is an excellent way to verify it, unequivocally.

I remember this discussion with that figure quoted on another thread and it was not quite as it seemed.

At the moment, I can't remember which thread and which poll and have to go out again shortly but it wasn't long ago.

Barleyfields

I wish Claremont would accept that it’s happened and stop banging on about it. It’s incredibly tiresome. As I understand it, she lives in a country which is not within the EU and never has been.

Mollygo 👍
Polling a couple of thousand people when, as you point out, over 1 million more voted to leave than stay does not give a true picture.

Are these people chosen at random or are they volunteers with an agenda?

I did ask how that country's relationship with the EU works in practice as it would be really interesting to know. Perhaps the UK could negotiate something similar.

However, if there was an answer, I missed it, sorry.

How incredibly rude 'banging about it'!

And I truly don't care if you find it tiresome. The effects are huge, a large majority now find that it has a very bad effect on the country, economically on all sectors. And now even more so, as it isolates the UK from its European neighbours and allies, in very difficult and dangerous times.

Excellent letter on the current situation here:

bsky.app/.../leedseurope.bsky.../post/3lkfymj7kgs25

Barleyfields

I wish Claremont would accept that it’s happened and stop banging on about it. It’s incredibly tiresome. As I understand it, she lives in a country which is not within the EU and never has been.

You’re correct in that.
Can you imagine what it was like before/after the referendum 😱 doesn’t come near to it.

Recent events have shown that we are by no means isolated from other European countries.

I really don’t understand why you are so obsessed with Brexit. It’s incredibly boring.

I’m glad I wasn’t on here then petra!

Claremont

How incredibly rude 'banging about it'!

And I truly don't care if you find it tiresome. The effects are huge, a large majority now find that it has a very bad effect on the country, economically on all sectors. And now even more so, as it isolates the UK from its European neighbours and allies, in very difficult and dangerous times.

Excellent letter on the current situation here:

bsky.app/.../leedseurope.bsky.../post/3lkfymj7kgs25

If we are so isolated why did kier Starmer host a video meeting with all the eu leaders.
You might like to think we’re isolated ( one of your favourite words) but who is the EU looking at now for leadership. 🤷‍♀️

Barleyfields

Recent events have shown that we are by no means isolated from other European countries.

I really don’t understand why you are so obsessed with Brexit. It’s incredibly boring.

Just scroll on, ignore if that is so boring. No-one but no-one if asking you to comment or join in, or be incredibly bored.

Nothing is fixed forever in politics, and certainly not in a democracy. The vast majority is anti-brexit now, whether you like it or not- and we will continue to fight. Whether you find it boring or not, and whether you continue to be incredibly rude or not.

Yes, the only good point so far. Starmer is doing an excellent job reaching out to other EU leaders, as it is clear that the EU without the UK is weaker, and this much mor so t'other way round.

Bored? Just keep away, ta!

petra

Claremont

How incredibly rude 'banging about it'!

And I truly don't care if you find it tiresome. The effects are huge, a large majority now find that it has a very bad effect on the country, economically on all sectors. And now even more so, as it isolates the UK from its European neighbours and allies, in very difficult and dangerous times.

Excellent letter on the current situation here:

bsky.app/.../leedseurope.bsky.../post/3lkfymj7kgs25

If we are so isolated why did kier Starmer host a video meeting with all the eu leaders.
You might like to think we’re isolated ( one of your favourite words) but who is the EU looking at now for leadership. 🤷‍♀️

Exactly what I was thinking petra

The U.K. has left a trading block, not the continent of Europe we are and always will be European.

Yes, and no. We have always been isolated by geography- and now not part of the 'Club'.

I remember a friend who stopped paying his golf club fees, because he was playing less often, but believed he could still play when he wanted. He doesn't quite work that way.

Claremont

Yes, and no. We have always been isolated by geography- and now not part of the 'Club'.

I remember a friend who stopped paying his golf club fees, because he was playing less often, but believed he could still play when he wanted. He doesn't quite work that way.

I believe you posted much the same back in 2016.

GG13
The U.K. has left a trading block, not the continent of Europe we are and always will be European.
Yes but evidently Claremont doesn’t understand that.
All the polls show that well informed people know the difference between Europe and what Brexit moved us out of.
Claremont I’m sorry the friend you know was so ill informed, but you shouldn’t assume that those who you don’t know, are equally ill informed about the EU.

Claremont, if you live outside the EU and UK - why worry?

Exactly GG13 and we had allies before there was the EU so why does no longer being a member of the EU mean we no longer have allies .

Just get on with it because we can’t change a thing.

Smileless2012

Exactly GG13 and we had allies before there was the EU so why does no longer being a member of the EU mean we no longer have allies .

Oh we have allies in Europe.

We have many countries senior armed forces commanders working with us in JCHQ in the UK permanently, they didn’t go back after Brexit.

With a few exceptions most people have accepted the situation and are getting on with life.Tbh it hasn’t made any difference to me anyway.Can’t see anymore referendums taking place for the future as as time goes on it will all settle down, and referendums are so divisive.

How will it 'settle'down', by magic? This is absolute nonsense. Time won't make it any easier to export UK goods, or import goods which are in shortage around the world. It won't bring back those huge firms and massive employers that relied on the above. Time will make it all worse, not better.

Europe needs to be stronger than ever with Trump and Putin, and yes, it would be stronger with the UK- but the UK would be massively stronger with the EU.