Kier Starmer & voice coach during tier 4 lockdown

Hitler was a fabulous speaker, so they say.

So, you can be spouting a load of bull sh** like Johnson most of the time, but as long as you’ve got rise and fall in your voice, pitch and emphasis … that’s OK.

That was to Escaped.

Apologies Doodledog, I mistook you for another poster always ready with private school digs! My mistake.
I'm not sure it would be possible to have politicians speaking as we would like them to, because some might like a low voice tone (Boris), whereas others might find that bombastic. Personally I think Starner's voice is the a bit
thready if you get what I mean. Thatcher's wax awful, but memorable. The Welsh politicians are the best for me - Neil Kinnock, David Owen of course 👌.

Clement Atlee was not a great speaker, but he was one of the greatest Prime Ministers Britain ever had.

MissAdventure yes Hitler’s speeches were very persuasive - no nodding off when he was spouting!

MissAdventure

Hitler was a fabulous speaker, so they say.

Yes, and if Hitler had turned this to good ends, it would have been win win for everyone. Sadly he chose the opposite.

Indeed. Which is why it can be seen as essential for the leader of the opposition. Many people pay attention to that sort of thing, and might let it affect the way they vote.

I repeat, escaped - I do not care how my prime minister speaks : I care what he does.
I would like any policies to be persuasive and credible rather than pitch, emphasis, or any other aspect of speech.

I totally agree.

You would surely like a prime minister to speak persuasively chocolatelovinggran, rather than so dully and woodenly that people stop listening?

escaped

Apologies Doodledog, I mistook you for another poster always ready with private school digs! My mistake.
I'm not sure it would be possible to have politicians speaking as we would like them to, because some might like a low voice tone (Boris), whereas others might find that bombastic. Personally I think Starner's voice is the a bit
thready if you get what I mean. Thatcher's wax awful, but memorable. The Welsh politicians are the best for me - Neil Kinnock, David Owen of course 👌.

No problem.

WRT Starmer's voice - I agree that it's far from being his most compelling feature, but that really doesn't matter to me. If I had a choice between voting for KS or a more charismatic MP saying the same things, I've no doubt I would be influenced, but as it is, I'm more interested in what politicians say than in how they say it.

”I'm more interested in what politicians say than in how they say it”

Me too Doodledog.

Mamie

Clement Atlee was not a great speaker, but he was one of the greatest Prime Ministers Britain ever had.

But that was in the 40s.
This is now.
I think styles have changed, not necessarily always for the better, but modern relevance is important.

If you can talk about Peppa Pig in a well enunciated way, you're on to a winner.

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Mamie

Clement Atlee was not a great speaker, but he was one of the greatest Prime Ministers Britain ever had.

But that was in the 40s.
This is now.
I think styles have changed, not necessarily always for the better, but modern relevance is important.

I think people have a shorter attention span and don't listen as well. Obviously visual media have taken over from aural to a great extent.
I don't think Starmer is a great orator, but he is clear and measured and I am interested in what he has to say.
It is hard to imagine people saying they weren't interested in hearing about a National Health Service because of Atlee's delivery.

So why was Starmer wasting money for 5 years then, as this is what the lady coach was professing to offer him?!

Obviously visual media have taken over from aural to a great extent. 👍
And in delivery of speeches much visual gesturing, grimacing (Trump), theatrical stuff is evident too. I can't say I necessarily find it appropriate, often it is distracting, but because modern generations see it all around them I guess politicians have to keep up with the game.

escaped

So why was Starmer wasting money for 5 years then, as this is what the lady coach was professing to offer him?!

Presumably because he knew that he had to reach people who didn't like his voice or delivery.

Barleyfields

I suspect Labour have no idea how many people are totally reliant on oil, don’t even have a mains gas supply available, and live in homes totally unsuitable to bolt an air source heat pump onto.

And I suspect they care even less……🤨

escaped

Yes, apparently he employed this same lady since 2017. She said he was "wooden" and "not at ease in himself"??

I think a very good name for him then would be Pinocchio wooden and tells lies…
Although Pinocchio did have a certain charm about him…

Yes shinamae! 👏👏👏

Chocolatelovinggran

If I'm looking for splendid diction and charisma, I'll go to the theatre.
In the leaders of the country, I look at different criteria.

I think if you paid to see a theatre production and all the actors projected their lines as kier Starmer does you wouldn’t be amused.
I voted for the Labour Party and I try very hard to keep focused on him when he’s giving a speech. But it’s not easy.

I would never vote for him, but Farage has been described as a charismatic communicator, and I would agree.
He was asking a question today (I think) in the House, and being loudly heckled by Labour in an attempt to stop him speaking. Something to do with the Prime Minister's probity, I believe. He simply smiled and carried on and could be heard clearly, speaking in well-constructed sentences.

I heard that eazybee. I am not a supporter of Reform but in terms of communication he’s streets ahead of Starmer, as was Johnson. Starmer was elected on his promise of ‘change’ but he’s turned out to be little more than a snake oil salesman.